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  • FCP for DS and Symphony User

    Posted by Paul Ingvarsson on April 28, 2005 at 11:07 am

    Hi all,

    I’m a DS and Symphony freelancer in London, and considering the Desktop revolution that appears to be vibrant at NAB i’m looking to learn FCP 5 to keep myself in the know and potentially freelance on FCP too.

    I’m purchasing a dual G5 (2.7 I suppose) and a 23″ display and the new FCP Studio pack. So the question is about knowledge.

    I was wondering if there are any resources out there (books, websites, articles etc) that would specifically help with mymental conversion and workflows from avid to FCP? (e.g. I know you can’t decompose on FCP so what is the workflow there etc)

    It’s a pretty vague question, but I would value any response…

    If you’re listening Martin Baker, i’d be interested to know how life is after DS….

    Paul

    Freelance DS/Symphony
    London

    Martin Baker replied 21 years ago 9 Members · 13 Replies
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  • Walter Biscardi

    April 28, 2005 at 11:33 am

    There is a book specifically written for AVID editors moving to FCP but the title escapes me. I’m sure someone on here will know what it is.

    Walter Biscardi, Jr.
    Creative Genius, Biscardi Creative Media
    https://www.biscardicreative.com

    Now in Production, “The Rough Cut,” https://www.theroughcutmovie.com

    “I reject your reality and substitute my own!” – Adam Savage, Mythbusters

  • Jim

    April 28, 2005 at 11:52 am

    Paul:

    The book in question is Final Cut Pro for Avid Editors by Diana Weynand(Peachpit Press.) It subject matter centers about FC 4. To me, it’s one of the best tutorial type books I’ve ever encountered (I was even able to clarify some things that puzzled me about Avid), and I’ve found the book to be very helpful making the transition to FC4.5.

    Good Luck

    Jim Cunningham
    cunninghamprod@sbcglobal.net

  • Bret Williams

    April 28, 2005 at 12:25 pm

    Well they don’t call it decompose but it can certainly do the same thing via the media manager. You’ll end up with a new project, but since FCP can open more than one project at a time (Avid still can’t do that, eh?) you can then just put the sequence (and related bin of clips) into the original project. End result same.

  • Paul Ingvarsson

    April 28, 2005 at 12:37 pm

    Hi Bret,

    Thanks for the response. What do they call this function in FCP? I guess you can decide handles for your resulting clips?

    Although you can’t open an actual project while working in another in Avid, you can open and modify all the bins of any project while in another – which i guess is essentially the same thing.

    Freelance DS/Symphony
    London

  • Walter Biscardi

    April 28, 2005 at 3:24 pm

    Although you can’t open an actual project while working in another in Avid, you can open and modify all the bins of any project while in another – which i guess is essentially the same thing.

    Actually it’s not really the same thing because with FCP, having multiple projects open mean you can edit to/from multiple timelines at the same time. This is handy for me when I’ve got multiple projects that might all use the same library footage or there’s a shot I know I have in another project that I want to pull right into my current project.

    Open the other project, open that timeline and pull the clip directly from the timeline in the other project to the timeline in my current project.

    Or sometimes when I know I have a bunch of projects coming up that will require stock footage in my library or stock animations, I’ll keep them all loaded up in a stand alone project with all the raw clips in the timeline so I can simply scrub through it with the client. They pick the shot / animation and I just drag it from that timeline to our current project timeline.

    So it’s simliar to what AVID does, but the ability to have multiple projects open at the same time definitely adds efficiency in my day to day workflow.

    Walter Biscardi, Jr.
    Creative Genius, Biscardi Creative Media
    https://www.biscardicreative.com

    Now in Production, “The Rough Cut,” https://www.theroughcutmovie.com

    “I reject your reality and substitute my own!” – Adam Savage, Mythbusters

  • Fx Bear

    April 28, 2005 at 3:27 pm

    I am thinking the correct term would be re-compress? Have’t used Avid in along time to know what the term means, just taking a shot in the dark here.

  • Paul Ingvarsson

    April 28, 2005 at 4:45 pm

    Forgive me if i’m wrong, but what you descibe is exactly how I work with Avid.

    I’m working on an 8 part show at the moment and i’ve set up all the effects and stings in the project for show one. I then open this bin that contains these sequences (or effects or clips – or all three) and cut these into the timeline on the show that I am working on currently (lets say in the show 4 project).

    This could work the other way too. While I am in the project for show 4 I can add sequences etc to the show 1 bin, for example if I generated a new sting that I wanted to use in the rest of the series.

    In DS this is another story, you can only import a sequence into your current project, and this can be cumbersome.

    I’m looking forward to getting hold of that book mentioned, it looks like i’ve got a lot to learn,

    Thanks,

    Paul

    Freelance DS/Symphony
    London

  • Blub06

    April 28, 2005 at 5:07 pm

    Yup, handles and the whole thing. New clips created, if you want new media too, you can sort etc, same deal.

    Free your mind, try FCP.

    Chris

  • Walter Biscardi

    April 28, 2005 at 5:11 pm

    [Paul Ingvarsson]
    Forgive me if i’m wrong, but what you descibe is exactly how I work with Avid.

    I’m working on an 8 part show at the moment and i’ve set up all the effects and stings in the project for show one. I then open this bin that contains these sequences (or effects or clips – or all three) and cut these into the timeline on the show that I am working on currently (lets say in the show 4 project). “

    Yep, that’s pretty much it. You open bins in AVID and I open entire projects in FCP. So your workflow will pretty much remain the same when you make the move to FCP.

    Walter Biscardi, Jr.
    Creative Genius, Biscardi Creative Media
    https://www.biscardicreative.com

    Now in Production, “The Rough Cut,” https://www.theroughcutmovie.com

    “I reject your reality and substitute my own!” – Adam Savage, Mythbusters

  • Francois Stark

    April 28, 2005 at 7:25 pm

    Walter

    One of the big issues regarding this process is the fact that upon reconnecting the clips after the media manager process, many clips with speed effects applied will reconnect wrong.

    This seems to have little to do with the media manager process, which seems to work right, but more to do with the reconnecting afterwards, since I have found many cases where the same problem occurs when reconnecting exactly the same media clips which have been moved to different media drives. Also happens after redigitising.

    This is one of the main reasons why I am getting a shared storage solution for our FCP suites – this will stop me from ever reconnecting on FCP again.

    On the other hand, maybe this problem’s been adressed in FCP 5?

    Regards
    Francois

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