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FCP 10.1.2 Where are you?
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[Jeremy Garchow] “In all my years of attending ProTools sessions, very very rarely do I see the engineer hot mix audio post”
Are they running control surfaces like a Control | 24 or ICON? If you are talking about your general, small boutique shop Pro Tools engineer, then you’re probably right. OTOH, many Pro Tools engineers doing long-form work frequently mix live, i.e. they write automation passes. Especially if they are old enough that they were mixing before Pro Tools became the norm.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
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I don’t know the names of the consoles, but they are there. They are big automated ones that I’m sure cost a very pretty penny.
I’m sure that there are engineers that use faders (duh) but also there are engineers that don’t, or don’t as much.
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[Jeremy Garchow] “I’m sure that there are engineers that use faders (duh) but also there are engineers that don’t, or don’t as much.”
Agreed. I’ve worked with both kinds. Often it’s a combination of both approaches. A pre-mix “in the box” and then fader control when the client is there for final review.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
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[Jeremy Garchow] “In all my years of attending ProTools sessions, very very rarely do I see the engineer hot mix audio post.”
Jeremy,
Pretty much all I see in mixing theatres is live automation control via faders. This includes some live automation of effects parameters on rare occasion.
Also, though I almost never finish sound mixes for picture on my system, I much prefer to have the automation surfaces there to do (temp) mixing. When I don’t have one, I’m constantly using the software faders.
When I watch colourists with control surfaces, they’re using their hands and reacting immediately to what they see on screen and scopes. It’s the same principle. But then not everyone uses dedicated hardware control for colour either.
Franz.
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[Franz Bieberkopf] ” When I don’t have one, I’m constantly using the software faders.”
FCPX has “software faders” too. They aren’t as logical to use as a software mixer, they don’t look like an audio console, you can only adjust one clip at a time, but they are there and work in real time (and you can sort of record keyframes with it).
With FCP 10.1 selecting and moving groups of keyframes in the timeline is super easy.
I’m not saying audio mixing is great in FCPX, it isn’t and there is massive room for improvement, but it’s not all bad, either.
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[Charlie Austin] ” I guess if I were being more clear, I’d note that my MCU was collecting dust long before FCP X was released. I used it with STP and Logic occasionally, but never in an NLE.”
I used the hell out of mine with FCP 7…
Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill
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[Loren Risker] “You can publish any of the color effects from motion and get some great color tools and keyframing that way.”
We could also go back to film, scissors and tape, but that isn’t a proper solution either…
Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill
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[Mitch Ives] “I used the hell out of mine with FCP 7…”
I tried it a few times. Personally it was more trouble than it was worth. Totally subjective. 😉
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I like the color coding idea. I use that all the time in media composer. Maybe if they allowed coloring of roles and then you could order those roles. So if you dropped in a SFX role it went yellow and automatically grouped in a similar level to the other SFX roles. Easy to visualise. Like the flattening of roles idea as well. Could really help to simplify.
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[Charlie Austin] “I tried it a few times. Personally it was more trouble than it was worth. Totally subjective. ;-)”
Worked perfectly here… for years. Everybody loved it. Hell will freeze over before we ever get anything like that in FCP X… too bad.
Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill
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