FCP 10.1.2 Where are you?

[Marcus Moore]

Franz,

Until we get some better idea of specifically how many users are using competing NLE platforms, I think any judgement of the 1mil+ number is entirely lacking in a frame of reference.

Adobe’s most recent announcement of 1.8million CC subscribers from March is for ALL products; and I wouldn’t even hazard to guess what percentage of those people are Premier users versus those in graphics, audio, web, photography, graphic design, or publishing. I think HALF would be very generous.

Considering that more than a decade of Legacy FCP development lead to 2 million licences, FCPX is on track to be far more successful than is predecessor.

[Marcus Moore]

I think in exclusively audio oriented applications, you’re right.

But I think FCPX’s associative model for Projects required a different philosophy.

LogicX is far separated development-wise from the FCPX team. They’re way over in Germany, far from the rest of ProApps.

[Marcus Moore]

Franz, I tried to explain this above but let me try again.

I think in this scenario you have to assume a Role, regardless of how many clips high it is, counts as a single “Track” to the mixer. A Role is essentially a pre-mix.

If you don’t want that, then you need to break your rolls down into sub-Roles like

DIA JIMMY
DIA FRED
DIA MARY

Now each of those is a mixer “Track”, and each one is probably only a single clip high.

[Charlie Austin]

[Marcus Moore] “Until we get some better idea of specifically how many users are using competing NLE platforms, I think any judgement of the 1mil+ number is entirely lacking in a frame of reference.”

All these numbers completely lack a frame of reference. I own FCP 7, FCP X, MC 7, and I rent PrCC. They all get to count me as a licensed user. Only one of those gets to count me as someone who prefers to use their NLE. It doesn’t mean squat…

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[Franz Bieberkopf]

[Marcus Moore] “Until we get some better idea of specifically how many users are using competing NLE platforms, I think any judgement of the 1mil+ number is entirely lacking in a frame of reference.”

Marcus,

We’ve discussed this before. Recent reports are thus:

– Adobe Premiere Pro, 2.5 million (Fall 2012)
– FCP 1-7, 2 million (NAB 2011)
– FCP X, 1 million (NAB 2014)
https://forums.creativecow.net/readpost/335/67769

– Avid 3 million (NAB 2014)
https://forums.creativecow.net/readpost/335/67876
https://forums.creativecow.net/readpost/335/67797

[Marcus Moore] “Adobe’s most recent announcement of 1.8million CC subscribers from March is for ALL products; and I wouldn’t even hazard to guess what percentage of those people are Premier users versus those in graphics, audio, web, photography, graphic design, or publishing. I think HALF would be very generous.”

Adobe was reporting 2.5 million “seats” and “number of users” for Premiere Pro in 2012. I suppose they may have lost two-thirds of their users since then, but if you’re claiming that you should probably support it.
If you’re going to qualify in some way about “current users” then this qualification should be applied to FCPX as well.

https://www.beet.tv/2012/09/adobepremiere.html
https://forums.creativecow.net/readpost/335/67774

[Marcus Moore] “Considering that more than a decade of Legacy FCP development lead to 2 million licences, FCPX is on track to be far more successful than is predecessor.”

Again, I think you should also consider this in context of the number of Macs that sold in the decade of FCP 1-7 vs. current sales.

https://lowendmac.com/musings/10mm/record-mac-sales.html
https://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2013/01/30/steve-jobs-pcs-trucks-apple-aapl/

My squinting guestimate is that Apple has probably sold maybe twice as many Macs in the 3 years of FCPX as it did in the decade of FCP1-7. I’d be interested in more exact numbers if anyone has the resources.

Franz.

[Franz Bieberkopf]

Marcus,

I understand, I just think you dialog tracks are going to be constantly jumping around – will Jimmy DIA always “pop up” on the same fader? What about when you have 2 clips of Jimmy DIA at the same time?

I think what is lost is the direct relationship of what is on any given fader at any given time – if I have to constantly be looking and checking and flipping around faders then I’m not really mixing by touch in the same way that you can on a traditional mixer.

Franz.

[Franz Bieberkopf]

[Marcus Moore] “I think in exclusively audio oriented applications, you’re right.”

Marcus,

Here’s the revolution: Audio and Video in one application.

Franz.

Edit:

Okay, to be more useful, I think Avid is moving (in tiny steps) towards more integration between Pro Tools and Media Composer. The idea of two ways of accessing the same project is an interesting model. (And not one seen anywhere right now in the way I can imagine).

[Marcus Moore]

Franz.

In the scenario I’m presenting, I don’t think Roles would move relative to their mixer assignments. Just because a Role is empty at a given time wouldn’t mean that the order of Roles changes or that it would bump another element.

Of course, we’re talking in the abstract here about an implementation that I’m only REALLY hoping Apple executes on. The finer points of which I’d leave to an audio engineer.

I can’t imagine doing live mixing anymore 😉

[Franz Bieberkopf]

[Marcus Moore] “Of course, we’re talking in the abstract here about an implementation that I’m only REALLY hoping Apple executes on.”

Marcus,

Yes, my point is that the details really matter here and if you’re throwing out an old paradigm you’re throwing out something that’s proven itself in many ways. It doesn’t mean something new can’t work, but I don’t think this is a simple problem, and so far Apple hasn’t hinted that it’s a problem they’re interested in with X.

[Marcus Moore] “I can’t imagine doing live mixing anymore ;)”

Judging by the comments here, I think this is a common sentiment. It’s interesting to see what new limitations people will accept with X and what they feel is important.

Franz.

[Marcus Moore]

Hey Franz- yes that was us last month.

I don’t think I’m claiming that Adobe has lost any users.

But how do you reconcile the difference between last year’s 2.5 million Premier users and last months 1.8 million CC subscribers (that’s from their earning report)?

I think the answer is pretty simple- Adobe is counting ALL Premier users, and not just those on CC. So that would include anyone using Premier from ANY Legacy CS package.

IF that’s the case (and it’s the only way it makes sense to me), then the comparable number would be to add Apple’s 1mil+ FCPX to the number of remaining Legacy FCP users (2mil – however many have left or migrated).