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Eyeon Fusion now Black Magic Fusion 7.5 is out, light version free, No OSX
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[Robin S. Kurz] “I’ve used it for years exclusively for VFX since it’s a compositor at its core, no doubt. Can’t see using it for motion graphics, since that’s certainly not one of it’s strengths in comparison to others imho. If tight integration with Resolve is introduced (which I think is a given) I can see myself using it in that context i.e. for possible touch-ups of visuals etc.”
You can’t have used it very extensively if the only use you can think of for it is touch-up.
Simon Ubsdell
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[Robin S. Kurz] ” But I personally don’t see it as a replacement for Motion in the context of FCP. I’d say it all depends on what they end up doing with it in terms of I/O possibilities. Who knows what (new) avenues may open up. But first they have to make it available for OS X in general for any of that to come into consideration. :)”
Understandable. So you’re doing mostly motion graphics and editing these days, I take it. Are you doing any 3D “stuff” that might make Fusion more helpful? Also, does Fusion not run in Bootcamp? I’m completely ignorant of OSX, so forgive me if this is a dumb question.
Shawn
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[David Mathis] “With respects to Fusion, why there is no support plan, as in the past, is a bit curious. Fusion is a deep and complex piece of software. I am willing to pay a reasonable fee for an annual support plan.”
I’m starting to think that’s just BMDs DNA (release first, fix second, support third). Then again support is expensive, so maybe they need to get those Fusion Studio seats way up before they can offer a real support plan?
Shawn
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[Simon Ubsdell] “I notice that the free version doesn’t seem to include optical flow retiming which seems like quite a big omission – not a deal-breaker, but you’d really want to have it if you were getting serious with the application.”
Yeah, I was a little bummed about that. But maybe that’s the strategy; hold back that one big feature that independent artists might REALLY want, in order to make the Studio edition more attractive? I’m actually surprised that they included the Primatte Keyer and their Ultra Keyer in the free version.. well, that and about half the features found in the “light” version… I’m not sure BMD knows what “light” means. With it’s current feature set, I think they should have charged something… $299.00, maybe (with fewer features)? 🙂
Shawn
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[Simon Ubsdell] “I notice that the free version doesn’t seem to include optical flow retiming which seems like quite a big omission – not a deal-breaker, but you’d really want to have it if you were getting serious with the application.”
And yet optical flow is in the free version of Resolve. If they get it to integrate with Resolve then I am more than happy to stump up the $995. I did for Resolve but that was by buying one of their 4k cameras.
I am hovering over CC subscription and milking CS6 for the relatively simple features that I need for finishing docos so if I can get my head around Fusion and if it integrates elegantly with Resolve then I have a comfortable finish tool that exceeds my requirements. I will always prefer to sub out VFX and graphic design elements but I do need an extension of Resolve’s toolset so it looks exciting to me at this stage. It might be a case of just going for the Photoshop CC subscription for my stills work.
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[Shawn Miller] “So, just out of curiosity. Is anyone here (besides Michael, Simon and Walter) considering giving Fusion a try? If so, what are you expecting to use it for; compositing, motion graphics, VFX, a blend of all three? What other software are you hoping to replace or extend with Fusion?”
Going to give it a try, went with the free version on my Windows laptop. Waiting for the OS X version to come about, just a waiting game for now.
I would never use a node based compositor for motion graphics. For more complex green screen work, Fusion would be a better option. Motion and After Effects still have their place. Motion is too much of an investment for me to walk away from. My two cents.
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Not sure if anyone posted this here yet but Grant Petty posted in the Blackmagic forum about Fusion for Mac as well as doing other things and doubling their engineering team.
https://forum.blackmagicdesign.com/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=29406#p178950
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[Robin S. Kurz] ” Can’t see using it for motion graphics, since that’s certainly not one of it’s strengths in comparison to others imho.”
Here’s a bunch of motion graphics work that the Fusion community put together, counting down the days to the Fusion 7 preview webinar last year. These are all part-time, labor-of-love projects, most representing just a couple hours of work:
Dunn Lewis in particular has done some nice mograph work with Fusion, much of which would be very challenging to replicate in Ae or Motion, even with third-party plugins:
While I’d agree that nodal tools can be quite cumbersome for longer animations, Fusion does have some real strengths for shot-based mograph work: a well-integrated 3D workspace, a respectable set of creative tools including geometry and replication tools, and fast GPU-driven interactivity for rapid iteration.
Walter Soyka
Designer & Mad Scientist at Keen Live [link]
Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
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[Walter Soyka] “While I’d agree that nodal tools can be quite cumbersome for longer animations, Fusion does have some real strengths for shot-based mograph work: a well-integrated 3D workspace, a respectable set of creative tools including geometry and replication tools, and fast GPU-driven interactivity for rapid iteration.”
These are all great things to have in a motion graphics tool, Walter. I’ve been using Cinema 4D more and more for those very reasons (admittedly, mostly for the replicators). Along that line, I’m really excited to see how the combination of AE, Fusion and Cinema 4D will open new design and animation possibilities for me. I think Fusion could really help to round out the toolsets of a lot of motion graphics artists.
Shawn
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Like I said, in comparison. I’m not saying it can’t do great stuff in general. I meant more along the lines of “everyday stuff”. As you say, for smaller things like that it’s, FOR ME, just way too cumbersome and having to render out each time in a big minus for my usual workflow also. As a standalone it’s superb, no doubt.
– RK
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