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  • David Masterson

    June 24, 2009 at 1:42 am

    rrr

    yep, B&H is a storehause for sure. I bought 2 pd170s in the past. I will more than likely keep the 170 to use as a 2nd BUC as I bet I couldnt get more than 1500 for it…been a great camera but have to move away from tape and into HD all the way…I an so ready to dive in but just had to wait for the gigs to be there to justf. the ten k invest….

    I hope to order everthing, camera, laptop, new mics, sticks, and a nice mat box to trick it out for the ppl. that think big is better…lol..sometime next week

    I have a 12′ Kessler crane I cant wait to put the ex1 on too

    D

  • Rafael Amador

    June 24, 2009 at 2:27 am

    [david masterson] “st. I will more than likely keep the 170 to use as a 2nd BUC”
    Hi David,
    Sell your PD-170.
    When you will have your EX-1 you won’t want to shoot with DVCam anymore.
    rafael

    http://www.nagavideo.com

  • Tim Kolb

    June 24, 2009 at 1:56 pm

    It sounds like you probably have friends with P2 cameras…

    With P2 cards, there were no low-cost media options so many videographers needed to carry a means to wrangle media in the field. Keep in mind that two factors make the EX1/3 a different animal.

    First, DVC ProHD is 40 Mbit/s in 24PN mode or 100Mbit/s in regular P mode…and the EX1 is 35 Mbit/s in the highest quality mode (inter-frame may have it’s detractors, but hey-look at the pictures)

    Second, media is far denser now for the pricepoint, so you can store much more data before you run out of space for the same dollar investment.

    I usually have a Laptop somewhere in the mix (and yes, Windows computers work just fine with EX1 data), but typically it’s more for an option as opposed to needing to clear cards. I usually offload cards at the hotel or the office, but I go immediately to two drives (redundant).

    TimK,
    Director, Consultant
    Kolb Productions,

  • Brent Dunn

    June 25, 2009 at 1:44 am

    https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820208480

    Here is the link for the 32 Gig Transcend Class 6 SDHC card with a USB Card Reader $111.00 $109 without the card reader, but for 2 bucks it’s worth the extra help.

    https://www.hoodmanusa.com/products.asp?dept=1063
    This is the company that supply’s the SxS adaptor that will take an SD card and allow you to use it in your EX 1 SxS slot. $49.99

    They also make compatable SD cards, but they are pricey and only 16 G.

    I know it’s confusing if your just starting to look. I used this forum to make my decision, so I repeat what these kind gentlemen have shared with others (they are much smarter than me).

    You can buy a 32 Gig Sony SxS card from B&H for around $850. Great cards that allow you to use the overcranking feature (slow mo). If you have big pockets, these are the best and fastest cards.

    A workable and well tested by everyone in this forum has been an adapter made by a company in Australia. Recently, HoodmanUSA, known by photographer’s for the high quality SD cards, became the sole distributor here in the USA.

    SDHC Class 6 Card Breakdown:
    The Transcend Class 6 32 Gig cards and the Hoodman 16 Gig Cards have been proven compatable with the EX-1 & EX-3 cameras using the SxS adapter from Hoodman.

    There have been Compatability problems with other cards including SanDisc, so stick with the above choices.

    Ten 32 Gig Transcend Class 6 X $110 + $1,100. That’s about what you’ll pay for the laptop your talking about. These cards add up to 320 Gig of storage space. Original Format, no hard drive failure, no transfering in the field.

    There you go! My ten cent tour. Good Luck!

    Brent Dunn
    DunnRight Video.com

  • Darrell Boeck

    June 25, 2009 at 3:41 am

    No need to spend a ton on the laptop if your only using it to clean off your cards at the hotel. For the first time, this summer I will be overseas on my first broadcast shoot (which meant upgrading from PD150’s to EX1’s. I purchased this to dump footage:

    https://tinyurl.com/n3vxfu

    This unit comes with an express card slot. One of the first things I did was upgrade the hard drive with a 500 gig instead of the 160. I will also be bringing a few external hard drives for backup. I will ship one copy of the footage back to the states, the other copy I’ll keep with me.

    Now, this tiny laptop does have its advantages and disadvantages. First, I love the size, and the battery lasts 3.5 hours. It will not weigh me down having this tiny thing in a backpack. The disadvantage is the small screen, and processing speed. You will NOT have smooth playback of your video on it – if you wanted to review footage at the hotel.

    Just another option…
    darrell

  • David Masterson

    June 25, 2009 at 2:24 pm

    this is what I am considering for my laptop…I relly dont need to view it in the field just really want it as a storage/ back up system…your thoughts

    ASUS P8600 2.4g/4GB/320G/SM/VP//6-CEL/16″/
    they want 983.95

  • David Masterson

    June 25, 2009 at 2:43 pm

    a few questions to your post –

    Q.
    Two 32GB SxS cards will be about $1700.
    Four 32GB SDHC Transcend Class 6 cards with MxR type adaptors will run a little over $300
    q- why the big diff in price

    Laptop risks include:
    Risk to Laptop itself q. agreed

    Risk while removing cards from camera during shoot q. what do you mean while removing,

    Risk of file damage during offload if rushed/not checking carefully q. file damage? checked?

    Risk when deleting clips on laptop q. agreed, cant do that
    Risk of laptop or other hard drive crash q. maybe a mirror drive as well?
    Risk of formatting wrong card in camera. q. I am new to the ex1 so I will learn what I need to

    People will swear up and down that they’re careful but it only takes ONE accident to lose laptop, lost master clip, need to reshoot, lose client. It’s just WAY TOO MANY points of failure for me.

    q. I agree…I have had tape issues in the past that cost me big time, this is why I am going to ex1 and why I was thinking a laptop in the field might be the ticket. Reason is when I am in Brazil in November, in the jungle for ten days, I want to be able to take my cards( even if I end up buying two 32’s and the Transcend cards) and have them ready to go the next day..
    Sure, this will be time and labor to do this but when I am that far from office and real world I have to be prepared to do what ever it takes to keep things moving smoothly in the bush…. still open for sug.
    Thanks
    D

  • Brent Dunn

    June 25, 2009 at 7:39 pm

    David:

    The Sony SxS media cards are the media made for the camera. Sony & SanDisk partnered up to create this technology. The speed of these cards are extremely fast, more than 10x the speed of the SD Class 6 cards. They currently are the only player in this market, so they can set there price. But, the price last year was $1,500 for just one 32 Gig. Now B&H has dropped it below $850. These are the best cards for the camera if you have an unlimited budget. The camera comes with one 8 Gig. I use it for my special overcranking (slow-mo shots). The SD cards cannot handle the processing speed required for this. That’s the only downside to the SD cards at this point.

    Also, Flash media will hold up to extreme conditions, such as the jungle, humidity, dropping in the toilet, washing machine, dryer (I’ve pretty much done all of these at some point). Hard drives can fail. At least use two hard drives if your going to use that method for redundancy.

    Brent Dunn
    DunnRight Video.com

  • David Masterson

    June 25, 2009 at 7:48 pm

    I agree

    so…looks like I will end up with the 8 GB card that comes with the camera, and I wil order one 16 and one 32…all sxs cards. That should give me plenty rec. time( 16 GB per hour yes?)

    The laptop I am getting has the 2 HD’s so I will have back up.

    D

  • Brent Dunn

    June 26, 2009 at 10:00 pm

    Take a look at the cost of the 16 vs 32 SxS. There isn’t a big difference. I’d pony up the few extra $ and get two 32’s. Yes, around an hour of best quality settings for 16G, more if you shoot at a low rez.

    Brent Dunn
    Creative Director
    DunnRight Video.com

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