EX1 better for green screen?

[Ryan Brown]

Hi Dean.

Good points.

Btw what camera are you shooting your green screen shots with?

Ryan Brown
DowntownBrownEnt.

[Craig Seeman]

The “Hawaii Goes Fishing” clip I posted the link to before is Dean’s. Shot with EX1.

[Ryan Brown]

The “Hawaii Goes Fishing” clip I posted the link to before is Dean’s. Shot with EX1.

I figured they must have been but I thought I’d ask just to be sure…

Ryan Brown
DowntownBrownEnt.

[Dean Sensui]

Sorry I didn’t make that clear. Yep, it’s the EX1.

And, yes, it was a surprise to me, too! I expected 4:2:0 to be less effective than 4:2:2. So it’s a good lesson: It’s ok to make assumptions, but base your decisions on actual tests.

Dean Sensui — Hawaii Goes Fishing

[Ryan Brown]

Yes certainly the proof is in the pudding!

Have you shot with an hvx before and you prefer the ex1?

I’m close to sold and ready to sell mine…but I’m still a bit unsure of what I’m losing with 4:2:0 and ex1 overall to hvx…is the trade of inaccurate editing due to gob editing, lack of color space, jittery footage do to cmos(rolling shutter)…please let me know…am I going to go out and not have what I have my next run and gun action shoot or am I pretty much able to do everything I’d expect to do with the hvx and more not too mention the excellent sdi output for my green screen shot.

Sorry if these questions seem dumb but it almost sounds too good to be true…kinda like scarlet 3k @ $3,000…if it was out I’d buy it…sounds like it would be great for my green screen shots(maybe not my live shots and run and gun but definitely sounds exciting for the gs)…

Please let me know what you all think…

Appreciate all the feedback!

Ryan Brown
DowntownBrownEnt.

[Craig Seeman]

[ryan brown] “but I’m still a bit unsure of what I’m losing with 4:2:0 and ex1 overall to hvx…is the trade of inaccurate editing due to gob editing, lack of color space, jittery footage do to cmos(rolling shutter)…please let me know”

I have no problem editing GOP in Final Cut Pro. Most modern NLEs and reasonably fast computers can handle it. People have been using HDV, also GOP for a while now. In FCP you can set renders to Apple Pro Res when using HDV or XDCAM which eliminates the “re-conform” renders (rebuilding the GOP structure).

As you can see by the keying examples above 4:2:0, in the context of high pixel density, works well. There are so many examples of how it holds in in color correction that it’s not worth posting. Certainly 4:2:2 can have advantages and even Sony now has XDCAM HD 4:2:2 but in most uses you won’t see a difference.

It’s fairly hard to induce CMOS rolling shutter issues in most uses. I can see it when shooting near a photo flash . . . but shooting fireworks look just fine. If you’re following the action in a fast sport you might see some bending in the background. If you kick the tripod you might see jiggle. As to photo flash and tracking a fast moving subject, it looks different but doesn’t bother my clients at all. Kicking the tripod doesn’t look good with any chip. These are very modest tradeoffs for what you get with this camera.

In short:

I much prefer 1/2″ chip, 1920×1080 that 1/3″ 960×540.

I like being able to record nearly an hour on 16GB SxS card due to GOP compared to P2 DVCProHD. That’s important when you want to keep “running when you’re gunning.”

I prefer the 4x and faster transfers of SxS compared to P2 which also keeps you “running when you’re gunning.”

I like being able to use 1080p30 and getting the max resolution and maintaining the efficient file size afforded by XDCAM EX HD compared to the HVX need to use 720p24n DVCProHD to get max record time on the P2 cards.

I like the manual (non servo) lens control on the EX1.

I like the low light performance of the EX1 (which can certainly be important in some run and gun situations).

HVX records DV to tape. 2 things (DV, tape) I hope never to do again.
HVX records DVCPro50 to P2. That’s actually very nice if you need it but HD is the future that’s very nearly present. In my area even the local news stations are moving to HD.

[Steve Wargo]

[ryan brown] “.kinda like scarlet 3k @ $3,000”

Does that include a lens? And the other items required to capture images?

Steve Wargo
Tempe, Arizona
It’s a dry heat!

Sony HDCAM F-900 & HDW-2000/1 deck
5 Final Cut (not quite PRO) systems
Sony HVR-M25 HDV deck
2-Sony EX-1 HD .

[Ryan Brown]

Craig-

Wow that is a really great breakdown. Thank you for creating the detailed comparison.

I own a macbook pro and a macpro. Is it true that I can just slide the card in the express slot and ingest via my laptop with no adapter like the duel for P2? Also my macpro 2008 w/8 gigs should work pretty well for editing footage created from the ex1? Other big reason I’d get this camera is for the sdi out for uncompressed capture for green screen. What are my options to capture uncompressed and end up with it on my macpro or even macbook pro on location where I can’t haul my macpro(is this even possible)?

I’m becoming more and more sold on this camera. I’ve been using panasonics since ag-456 and supercam…I really like them but I may just have to go with the ex1. The idea of larger sensors is a huge benefit and better low light shooting for any kind of shots is always a plus!

As for workflow premiere pro can ingest files natively I believe. So with final cut is it a log and transfer process like with P2 and can I convert it to prores if I want to do cc or green screen. Is this what you were referring to in a previous reply to my post?

Thanks again!

Ryan Brown
DowntownBrownEnt.

[Ryan Brown]

the red scarlet is their camera they had behind a glass box on display at NAB in the Red booth(Red.com). It’s supposed to be an pocketcam that will shoot 3k. So it comes with a fixed lens and has various outputs. Not sure how the outputs are intended to be used but it shoots raw to two compact flash. The compression is much better I understand than others on the market. so basically it’s like the RedOne that they currently have on the market that is body only at $17,500 but in a pocketcam form factor likely to target anyone with $3k and wants to work in a raw workflow environment. The Red One is out of my budget but I’ve had one in my studio and shot some green screen shots and saw some great stuff in the Red booth and at the supermeet. Gorgeous looking footage. Of course the workflow is a lot different than anything else but I’m sure that will be optimized and developed over time…

since i don’t own a red i’m not the best person to ask technical questions…if you want to find out more go to reduser.netscarletuser.com or red.com is probably a good place to get more detailed info…

hope that helps and was the response you were looking for…?

Ryan Brown
DowntownBrownEnt.