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  • Aindreas Gallagher

    April 20, 2012 at 9:09 pm

    Doesn’t need it! It’s great stuff.

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  • Bobby Mosca

    April 20, 2012 at 9:26 pm

    Woah!!! I just had a flashback to grad school…

    So cold… So much darkness…. So much BULL***T!!!

    Thank you, Glen. That was terrific!

  • David Lawrence

    April 20, 2012 at 10:04 pm

    Nice post, Glen. Welcome back.

    Jim, I think the Cliffs notes summary would be:

    From the the editor’s POV, (and I would extend this to *all* pro editors, not just Hollywood pros), any potential upside to trusting Apple right now is far outweighed by the risk. On the other hand, distrusting Apple has only upside, at least until Apple *demonstrates* they can be trusted.

    Sounds right to me.

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  • Bill Davis

    April 20, 2012 at 10:19 pm

    [Glen Hurd] “Now, I may generate some heat for my first set of numbers, but we could even say that TT and DT should both be 5’s and I still prove my point. In a case of not being able to read Apple’s mind, the only rational decision is to be disloyal.

    Game over. Close the forum. Get back to work. 😉

    Uh, as to proving any particular point, not so much, IMO.

    From square one, by choosing a binary construct, you’ve already pushed the poll.

    You’ve arbitraily set a stage where there are only two seats – the Hollywood editor and “the casual user.”

    Only by accepting that construct as the “correct” one do you let us play.

    And what if we don’t?

    What if we construct a choice where instead of two chairs – we have thirty?

    The Hollywood editor gets a nice one. The Chicago commercial producer gets one. The Tampa Sports editor gets one. The corporate video producer gets one. The wedding/bar mitzvah gets one (hey, they’re editing for a living, and at the very top end, believe me, likely making more profit than me or you!) What about the high-speed photography lab doing auto crash test science? can we give them a chair?

    I bet we can fill 30 seats with unique “video professionals” in a snap.

    And right there, your entire setup falls apart.

    People trying to generate reliable data through polling of any kind all know – that the design of the poll itself is typically the single more important factor in achieving a useful survey outcome.

    The Prisoners dilemma is useful for teaching the young the rudiments of how to think logically.

    But that’s about it, IMO.

    FWIW.

    “Before speaking out ask yourself whether your words are true, whether they are respectful and whether they are needed in our civil discussions.”-Justice O’Connor

  • Glen Hurd

    April 20, 2012 at 10:26 pm

    Yeah, I know. But the real point of Game Theory (and, thus, the prisoner’s dilema) is to show that if you can grade each combination of choices between two players – whether they are “co-operating” or simply making decisions that influence each other – and then evaluate if a consistent choice can guarantee an improved outcome against an unknown’s choices, each time, that you can then make a rational decision. 🙂

  • Glen Hurd

    April 20, 2012 at 10:35 pm

    Thanks, Dave. Can I call you Cliff? Heh. 🙂
    Yeah, I used the Hollywood descriptor a little tongue-in-cheek. The other adjectives seem to generate resentment, so I tried to side-step them for now.

    I used to be more confrontational . . . but then I took an arrow to the knee. 😉

  • Glen Hurd

    April 20, 2012 at 10:54 pm

    Flaming in short hand – what a great idea. Done right, it can sound like poetry. That’s one of the reasons I love Brick (2005).

    “No, bulls would gum it. They’d flash their dusty standards at the wide-eyes and probably find some yegg to pin, probably even the right one. But they’d trample the real tracks and scare the real players back into their holes, and if we’re doing this I want the whole story. No cops, not for a bit.”

    – Brendan Frye

  • Daniel Frome

    April 20, 2012 at 11:24 pm

    I read that in an announcer-like voice…

    “that’s it folks” [lights a cigar]
    “close the forum” [puts on sunglasses]

    Baiting them hard.

  • Aindreas Gallagher

    April 20, 2012 at 11:31 pm

    Good God Amen.

    Brick: she makes such crazy love to Hammett and Chandler.

    I love my Hammett, I love my Chandler. And who doesn’t like the word noir? even the way it sounds?

    Although.. re-reading your quote there, you’d nearly think there’s a bit of dense Runyon poetry maybe flowing there too? …:)

    right so. I’m watching Brick again.

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  • Jim Giberti

    April 21, 2012 at 4:24 am

    [David Lawrence] “Jim, I think the Cliffs notes summary would be:

    From the the editor’s POV, (and I would extend this to *all* pro editors, not just Hollywood pros), any potential upside to trusting Apple right now is far outweighed by the risk. On the other hand, distrusting Apple has only upside, at least until Apple *demonstrates* they can be truste”

    Thanks David, see I just needed a speed reader .

    I am more than happy to give Apple my distrust.

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