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E5 Xeons already shipping?
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[Andrew Richards] “Those are single-socket E3 Xeons. They can’t be had in dual CPU boards. They are essentially Core i7s that support ECC RAM.”
Well, add to those a headless Quadro 6000 (a Tesla) coupled with a CTO Quadro 2000 and watch your Adobe Premiere NLE run circles around any future dual-socket Mac Pro/TB/FCP-X.
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[Shawn Miller] “In fact, Research in Motion is growing again after some very painful cuts last year.”
Every time I look at RIM’s market share, it shrinks.
They might be adding some jobs, but the net result I believe is still negative.
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And? The discussion heretofore was about whether the Mac Pro would see another rev and how the E5 Xeon is the key to all that. You seemed to be making the point that Sandy Bridge Xeons had been out a long time, as if that were the proof anyone needed to see Apple had already closed the book on towers.
Nowhere in this thread did I try to make any points about the performance of FCPX vs PPro or anything else. I bet PPro would scream on any CPU as long as it had an SLI stack of GPGPUs to call upon. It’s all about the CUDA.
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[Andrew Richards] “You seemed to be making the point that Sandy Bridge Xeons had been out a long time, as if that were the proof anyone needed to see Apple had already closed the book on towers.”
[Andrew Richards] “Dell: we’re no longer a PC company
That on the heels of HP’s flirtation with dropping PCs.”I didn’t say that Apple nailed that coffin, but you jumped to quote that both HP and Dell were doing so. Aren’t their recent R&D and further releasing of SB Xeon Workstations the proofs that they are betting in the high-end much more than Apple, for that matter? Yeah, I know Apple should be waiting for a dual-socket, but that just shows how slow and inefficient their R&D is. Their computer line used to have a stronger appeal to that high-end niche. That is not quite the case recently, that was my point.
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[Christian Schumacher] “watch your Adobe Premiere NLE run circles around any future dual-socket Mac Pro/TB/FCP-X.”
Maybe not if the rumours about Apple going back to Nvidia cards are true
Steve Connor
“FCPX Agitator”
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[Andrew Richards] “Nowhere in this thread did I try to make any points about the performance of FCPX vs PPro or anything else. I bet PPro would scream on any CPU as long as it had an SLI stack of GPGPUs to call upon. It’s all about the CUDA”
Not everything is centered around CPU power, and that just furthers my point on Apple’s lagging as well. BTW, that’s not SLI, it’s “Maximus”, a sort of SLI but it’s another “thing”. Premiere won’t benefit from SLI. Just clarifying.
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I guess it depends on how you measure shrinkage. Volume might be growing but share of overall computer sales is lower.
If you look at sales across all PC manufacturers, they’re mostly all down with Apple being one of the few exceptions and their PC growth is primarily driven by laptops although their desktop sales (mostly iMacs I’d suspect) is growing as well.
If I recall, HP’s consideration in spinning off or selling their PC division wasn’t so much that it was unprofitable but that profits were small and growing slowly compared to their other products/services.
True, we do need to separate workstations from the broader desktop market. Laptops are replacing desktops but there’s nothing really that replaces a workstation for heavy lifting.
I don’t think workstations will disappear. I do think the business model from the manufacturers will change. We can speculate what the change will be. My guess is modularity. Thunderbolt helps. At the point when Thunderbolt goes optical that will be significant. The next leap might be improvements in clustering. These are challenges with that but I think that’s where the industry will head. What would be the alternative? Raising the prices on workstations?
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There is very little R&D necessary to take some parts from Intel or AMD and assemble them in an ATX chassis. Apple hasn’t ever bothered with 3000 series Xeon or Core series towers. It is clearly a market they aren’t interested in. Anyone can build a tower with parts from Newegg. If Apple’s R&D is so lousy, why can’t anyone compete with the MacBook Air, a product that actually requires some bespoke engineering?
I get that everyone is frustrated that Apple neglects towers, but this is nothing new. There is a new Mac Pro when there are new dual proc Xeons to put in it, that has been the pattern since 2006.
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I don’t know why Apple has such poor support from AMD and NVIDIA, but I’ve seen speculation that with Windows 8’s move to ubiquitous UEFI support that getting GPUs compatible with Macs might be less of a problem. Whatever the case, I hope a Mac Pro with a standard PCIe GPU continues to exist and that we get something approaching parity with GPU support between OS X and Windows. Might be too much to hope for though.
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[Andrew Richards] “There is very little R&D necessary to take some parts from Intel or AMD and assemble them in an ATX chassis. Apple hasn’t ever bothered with 3000 series Xeon or Core series towers. It is clearly a market they aren’t interested in. Anyone can build a tower with parts from Newegg.”
Dell and HP design the chassis and the motherboard, don’t they? Just like Apple does? And that Newegg assembly doesn’t come with a 3 to 5 year support plan either…That Apple aren’t interested in mid-sized workstations is just a shame, look at their iMacs, soon these will have soldered RAM chips in them.
[Andrew Richards] ” If Apple’s R&D is so lousy, why can’t anyone compete with the MacBook Air, a product that actually requires some bespoke engineering?”
I thought we were talking desktops/workstations, but since you brought that up, the MBA and the other portables are the only things they put effort into nowadays. That’s not unrelated, either. Judging from the computer majors’ releases, Apple is the only one that truly represents a mobile company today. I grant you that, Apple’s R&D in mobiles is great, indeed. Mac Pro? Not so much. You know, the GPU has been lacking. And I wonder if that is just an accident too or it has been planned for a while. We’ll see when that pumped-up Mac Mini arrives.
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I get that everyone is frustrated that Apple neglects towers, but this is nothing new.”Wait until Apple finally drop them. There, I said it 🙂
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