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**Danger Will Robinson** **Danger Will Robinson**
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True but there a lot of things in cs7 that specialy appeals to xfcp users.Thas what i was trying to say.
Richard
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Gentlemen,
I would truly like to reply in full to each of your posts but on top of travel, post NAB madness and the normal insane life of an Adobe rep, I cannot at this time do that.
Suffice it for this time, I would note that several things pointed out in this thread are partially or wholly incorrect or misleading. We understand that there is concern out there but I would advise everyone to wait until all of the facts are out there before you come to any conclusions. Walter is doing a great job of pointing to the rather extensive FAQ on Creative Cloud and I would reiterate what Adobe has been doing for a while – listening to customers.
Dennis – Adobe guy
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[Jeremy Garchow] “What you learn in cs6, I’m sure, won’t go to waste.
“Agreed.
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[Aindreas Gallagher] “Plumbers don’t rent their pliers. they own their toolbox for good reason – the tools represent their livelihood.”
You should hang out in the camera department more often.
Because there are so many different tools, tool rental is a way of life as you simply can’t afford to own all the tools.
Also, you might see things differently when you are staring at $250,000 worth of kit hanging from a pole and the wind picks up a bit, or the rain starts falling.
Creative Cloud is $60/mo. for a giant wad of industry standard tools. How bad can it really be?
I wish I could rent an Alexa for $60/mo. That would be amazing.
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Adobe is a business. If they can charge double or in any other way make more money out of you they will. They did for years in Aus charging insanely higher prices without any reason.
This goes for Apple too. If they thought they could get more they would.
And for Adobe listening. I think there is a lot of spin in this like this money example shows. They listen as much as they have to to make a buck out of you.
I think people should stop treating software companies as a personal friend that is out there to help them personally and only strives to listen to the individual. Adobe is listening because Apple gave them an opening, and will only do as much as that is helping to sell software.
It’s a business. Treat them like one.
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And that’s why I don’t “trust” any of them. They will make decision in the interest of their business.
But so will I. That’s why I keep mentioning ROI when I look at things. I look at the value of the purchase (or rental) and how quickly I can cover that cost. Since the price of NLEs have dropped overall, it’s generally much easier to cover the costs. -
[Craig Seeman] ” I look at the value of the purchase (or rental) and how quickly I can cover that cost.”
Exactly 🙂
And it’s the reason why the Apple model works for me so much better.
But I’m a single person shop that doesn’t need to react to what customers want. I dictate the NLE. So if you are under customer pressure to supply a certain NLE you might not have the choice.
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fair enufski
https://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos http://www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics
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yes – but to be precise about this – if you rent that Alexa, the product of your work is unbundled. The camera shot it clean out.
as in – here, in this case, the personal creative output is intrinsically tied to the originating hardware. ah but it’s not hardware is it?
it’s software? the mechanisms of the adobe software are entirely dissimilar to the optics, f-stops, shutter,
image adjustment, encoding and electronics originating content off the Alexa right?Right?
tools – the origination and ownership – of entirely owned creative content in a software subscription model are a little murky.
Alexa renters don’t end up with open ended Alexa watermarks.
https://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos http://www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics
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[Aindreas Gallagher] “yes – but to be precise about this – if you rent that Alexa, the product of your work is unbundled. The camera shot it clean out.”
Good point. The problem is not the subscription model, the problem is the lack of open and well documented file formats in the NLE space.
I am a “cloudie”. The subscription model works for me, but CS6 is not my primary toolset. I mainly use Photoshop, Audition, Media Encoder and Bridge to support the work i do in Avid Media Composer. As long as I stick to standard file formats, I am fine with not owning the tools outright. But I would think twice before adopting a cloud licensed Premiere as my main NLE.
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