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Jeremy Garchow
March 21, 2020 at 8:13 pmIf I relink one file at a time, everything works. I can relink MXF to mov/mp4. So fcpx has the capability, but there seems to be a bug in the batch relink as it doesn’t allow it.
What’s weird is that fcpx does not seem to a have problem relinking different extensions. I can make fcpx generates proxies from Mxf material, and that relinks using the fcpx proxy workflow.
I can relink r3d to mov and back all day.
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Michael Gissing
March 22, 2020 at 4:57 amSpare thought for us poor Australians who have crap internet. Last I looked we had slipped behind Mongolia and Kenya for internet speed and affordability. All thanks to Rupert Murdoch buying our government and having them take twice as long, spending more to reduce our broadband capability. Just so he could milk more years out of his Foxtel cable service!
I have to rely on postal and couriers delivering drives. There is no viable cloud sharing for my work files. It’s even a stretch to upload a broadcast master file in XDCam HD format at the end of the job.
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Morten Carlsen
March 22, 2020 at 5:01 pmThe pandemic IMO will blow over and the web will be up to full speed again in month or two !
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Tim Wilson
March 22, 2020 at 7:54 pm[Morten Carlsen] “The pandemic IMO will blow over and the web will be up to full speed again in month or two !”
I think that the pandemic blowing over in a month or two is optimistic, but nothing wrong with optimism as long as it isn’t compromising people’s commitment to helping that scenario come to pass! It’s going to require diligence that especially here in the US, I’m not seeing very much of. (I’m thinking less here of politicians than spring breakers.) My family is Italian. I’ll be happy to connect you with any of them to speak to the advisability of getting too optimistic about being out of the woods too soon.
But I also think that going back to “normal” might be a stretch. I think that there are a lot of people who hadn’t dipped as far into streaming TV options as they had before, and studios are taking advantage of this to make their offerings as attractive as possible. Sure, maybe people will be watching fewer hours during the day once they go back to work, but I don’t see people getting out of the habit of heavy streaming.
And as much as people are excited about getting back to seeing movies on the big screen, I think that there’s also going to be more and more demand for tentpole releases in homes, definitely for the rest of 2020, and why not beyond? Most moviegoing experiences are terrible. Even a $350 “4K” TV from Target with the motion smoothing still on is pleasanter. Day and date availability for maybe everyone but Disney and James Bond-scale blockbusters IS the new normal.
I’m also wondering whether people are going to be willing to return to working in the office every single day. Not working from home every single day — I think we’re already seeing the limits of that — but there’s no getting around that people are going to see the benefits to productivity, creativity, and general sanity of not commuting every day, and they’re going to insist on being able to do it more often.

So I don’t have any doubt that loads will lessen somewhat, but I wouldn’t want to place bets on when, or how much “better” things will get….but to bring up issues coming on the “Cupertino, we’ve got a problem!”
thread, the current group of circumstances are also exposing fundamental inefficiencies and limitations that we’re no longer willing to live with.And to bring this part of the topic back to this thread ☺I think one thing happening here is that people are feeling differently about throttling. It used to be something that companies could hide in the fine print (I just saw in a commercial last night “AT&T will reduce speeds during periods of increased network activity”), and I think most people will tolerate SOME throttling, but there’s a reason why people are gravitating toward Zoom instead of Skype. As a platform, Skype has lots of cool features, but Zoom handles throttling better.
In the longer run, governments have understood roads and bridges as part of national DEFENSE infrastructures as much as public SERVICE. You do it because the nation’s survival depends on it. I think that all countries are going to be thinking about the internet the same way, if they’re not already.
I know that mobile companies are already preparing for this, with phones that support 5G before networks do. This will help drive demand for new antennas that communities may have been dragging their heels on. The ability of mobile devices to do what we need them to do in the near future depends on it.
That is, my theory is that this isn’t just a blip in the system. My feeling is that it represents dozens of forks in the road — for how we think about schools, health care, work, food, entertainment, travel, and yes, the internet, but many many more as well — and that for each them, this is a before-and-after moment. If we’re actually learning from this experience, then virtually nothing will be the same afterward.
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Oliver Peters
March 22, 2020 at 8:17 pm[Tim Wilson] “But I also think that going back to “normal” might be a stretch.”
One of the things I keep looking at is this interest in working remotely. Not just in our industry, but many others, like education. It’s temporary now, but many companies may find this is a way they want to work going forward. If anything, this will spur developers to improve the software and hardware systems we currently use.
If you have more industrial use of video over the internet – like teachers with live Skype/Zoom/other sessions over the internet – it will only push more traffic through the system. And what about 4K and 8K video? Yikes. Just so much more to move.
And don’t think 5G is a savior. It will push more competing uses that we don’t need onto the internet, like smart homes, not to mention driverless vehicles. Want to bet who gets priority in that equation?
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Tim Wilson
March 23, 2020 at 5:18 am[Oliver Peters] “And don’t think 5G is a savior.”
Not me man. I’ve been using the same phone for almost four years, so I’m definitely due for a change. I’ll surely get a 5G phone, just because that’s all they’re selling for new phones, and I’ll bet that I’ll be on the NEXT phone after that and 5G STILL won’t be in my neighborhood. I agree with you, the hype about 5G isn’t really going to matter much for individuals.
Besides, I’d imagine that most of us are using the most data on our devices while we’re on home Wifi. It’s going to keep coming back to the last mile of copper into the house for a loooong time.
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Tim Wilson
March 23, 2020 at 5:57 pm[Bob Zelin] “I could be wrong (and I usually am) – but in the same way that the old writers strike spawned reality television – this current incident could spawn the future development of real life full time remote editing.”
I think you’re right about this! More than full-time remote editing, though, I think of flex time remote editing. I don’t know that many of us, including folks like me who’ve worked remotely for a long time, are thinking that most people will want or need to be able to edit from home or from a remote set location or what have you, 100% of the time. The problem is that in many circumstances, it’s possible 0% of the time right now. That won’t do.
I don’t even know what thread this belongs on anymore since we’re talking about on several of them, but in addition to the infrastructure points you raise, Bob (we need a LOT more fiber buried out there, or access to the gazillions of miles of fiber that’s right now being sold only to private networks), I think that are some conceptual ones.
For example, the Visual Effects Society’s Technical Committee has released a public document and inviting comments on Best Practices, and there’s a lot of great stuff about products and platforms for remote collaboration for both VFX and editing for review, rendering, you name it. Many folks here will find helpful stuff in it, so take a look.
But there are studios and facilities who would no more allow VPN access to their works in progress than the man in the moon. I think it’s mostly coming from studios, in that many VFX and post houses are contractually forbidden from connecting media machines to the internet, making copies, etc. But I also think that no post house wants to be identified as “leaky” if the worst happens and even a single frame escapes into the wild.
Some people at the tops of some pyramids need to agree that the world will keep spinning if we see Spider-man’s new unitard a few months ahead of schedule, while also deciding that if VPN is good enough for defense departments and private industry, it’s probably okay for movies and TV too. Or along with laying better fiber, creating more secure protocols than publicly available VPN-style authentication. This isn’t rocket science, just regular old science. LOL People are smart. They can figure it out.
But first comes identifying it as a problem to be solved. There are bosses who just don’t see it like that yet. Hopefully it won’t take a bunch of people dying to change their minds. I could also imagine them saying, “Sorry, people getting sick isn’t the problem we’re trying to solve. We’re trying to protect billions of dollars of IP and shareholder value, and if that means a few hundred post production minions have to come into the office, whaddya know, we’ve already solved the problem. What we’re doing is working.”
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Santanu Bhattacharjee
March 31, 2020 at 2:12 pmProxy is a good way to go for remote editing. However, I find a big problem with Proxy footage in Premiere Pro. For every new project, for the same footage, it creates a new instance of proxy files, thereby leaves a huge amount of garbage in the server.
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Jeremy Garchow
March 31, 2020 at 2:23 pmCan’t you “attach proxies” in Premiere to help mitigate this so that Premiere doesn’t generate proxies, but rather looks for the proxies that were already generated?
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Santanu Bhattacharjee
March 31, 2020 at 8:26 pmYou have a point. However, wouldn’t that be too cumbersome to attach a proxy manually to each of the hundreds of clips! I am not sure if that could be automated. Need to check. Anyway thanks for the idea.
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