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  • Kenneth Lau

    June 3, 2011 at 8:54 am

    The TV station people told me that DVD will do.

    Just one more thing !

    When I add the pulldown at last, will it work if I go file, export and choose 29.97 as my frame rate?

    or there are other special way to add a pull down in FCP?

  • Jeremy Garchow

    June 3, 2011 at 2:33 pm

    Adding pulldown in Fcp does not work properly without the help of 3rd party plugins.

    You can add proper 3:2 pulldown in Compressor no problem.

    I and many others have written about it on this forum many many times. I would suggest searching this forum
    first. Adding pulldown is not as hard as some people make it out to be, and for a 30 or 60 second spot, it’s a piece of cake. Shooting 24p is completely viable, even though some people seem to have a natural aversion to it. 🙂

  • John Heagy

    June 3, 2011 at 9:55 pm

    Yes pressing a button is easy. Understanding what 3:2 is, when and why to do, when not to do it, and and the implications for broadcast and online deliverables… not so easy.

    An FYI… The vast majority are only adding 3:2 not pulldown unless ur shooting true 24.00

  • Jeremy Garchow

    June 3, 2011 at 11:00 pm

    It’s cool, John We will fight till the end on this as you always come in and say 24p sucks for whatever reason. It’s your opinion, and you love to spread the FUD.

    This technique is older than all of us and is not hard. Yes, everyone should learn how to make 24p “broadcastable” in the US. It is obvious that Kenneth does not know how to do this yet.

    It’s not hard, but needs to be done correctly, 30p is not always the answer, and it doesn’t help the problem at hand, and is actually the wrong answer.

    Love you anyways,

    Jeremy

  • Kenneth Lau

    June 4, 2011 at 1:52 am

    OK got it,
    I will read more about pulldown on this forum or maybe consider getting the plug in too…

    Thanks a lot ! !

    Wish me good luck !

  • Jeremy Garchow

    June 4, 2011 at 2:09 am

    Bon chance and report what you find.

    If you need anymore clarity after your search, let us know.

    Jeremy

  • John Heagy

    June 4, 2011 at 5:23 pm

    [Jeremy Garchow] “you always come in and say 24p sucks for whatever reason”

    I’ve never said 24p sucks, but I will continue to suggest 30p as an alternative when people are struggling with interlace, heaven forbid 3:2 and 24p.

    24p requires one to work in a 24p “clean room” where 60i and 30p are not allowed, or must be converted to 24p with typically poor results. Many do not have the discipline or knowledge to adhere to these rules. The result is a mess in the worst case, and broken 3:2 cadence in the best case. Neither are sustainable options given the progressive only “iPad future”. That’s the root of my anti 24p stance, that, and I don’t like paying $12 to watch stutter motion and blurred images in theaters. 24p in 3D is near unwatchable!

    [Jeremy Garchow] “It’s your opinion, and you love to spread the FUD.”

    FUD!… please!… questions about interlace and 24<>30/60 conversions are second only to “why doesn’t h.264 work on my timeline?”. If more people shot 30p there would be less FUD on this forum. Many think 30p and 60i are the same. 30p is much closer to 24p than 60i, a fact I will continue to point out where applicable.

    24p has near cult status. My lone voice in support of 30p and your near inevitable counterpoint supports this. That’s okay, I enjoy the jousting. Find me a “feature” segment, or open, done in anything other than 24p. These types of high production value productions are nearly 100% “knee jerk” 24p Find me an exception! Again, it’s cult like and the herd obeys.

    I like to point out the original BBC Top Gear as an example of 50i “feature” segments. They are examples of very high production value segments all in 50i. Watch an episode and see if you find yourself thinking: “This would be much better at a lower frame rate.”

    In the long run higher frame rates are inevitable. Do a search on Peter Jackson and 48 frames. Jackson, Cameron and Lucas are all gaga over 3D in 48fps and higher, and make my 30p endorsements look positively provincial.

    Lucas pushed theaters to digital projection, Cameron to 3D, now Jackson will introduce higher frame rates to feature films. When Lucas, Cameron and Jackson want something to happen it can happen fast. The status quo is a “big oak tree with deep roots”. These guys have big axes and know how to swing them. I’m happy to have them on my side.

    [Jeremy Garchow] “30p is not always the answer, and it doesn’t help the problem at hand, and is actually the wrong answer.”

    My answer to Kenneth was to study up on the subject and provided links to do so. I strongly feel people should understand what they are doing. Teach, and one will learn… Tell, and they will forget. I suggested 30p to others reading who don’t understand how to broadcast 24p.

    Peace
    John Heagy

    Oh… if in the near future you find the option to format P2 cards in camera with the card’s serial number instead of the ridiculous NONAME… you can thank me. Imagine being able to tell two copied P2 card volumes apart!

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