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Naming during capture is very useful in certain workflows – like news where logging is more of a luxury than a standard practice.
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[Dom Silverio] “Naming during capture is very useful in certain workflows – like news where logging is more of a luxury than a standard practice.”
News is definitely its own animal. In that case I would probably just Capture Now to get the story out, then go back and re-name the clips later for archive.
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I rarely log ahead of time. I guess I’m missing the point? Why log first, then digitize later? Doesn’t that put extra wear on your DVCProHD deck watching the tape, then having to rewind, then run the tape through again fast-forwarding and rewinding to locate your ins/outs to digitize? Sounds like lots of transport wear and tear. Digitizing on the fly is much faster as I just capture on the start/stops, no shuttling wear.
Sure, I understand that logging saves HD space and gives you time to more accurately log clips, but not everyone does it that way.
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[Ernie Santella] “rarely log ahead of time. I guess I’m missing the point? Why log first, then digitize later?”
Organization…knowing what you have. Labelling what you have so that you can find it later. Getting to know your footage. A good editor needs to know everything that he has. If you have an assistant, they need to log very clearly so that you can see what footage you might have before you click on it. Searching through footage is a huge waste of time.
But, you can also capture a tape, then subclip…that is viable too. But I prefer logging and capturing as it makes managable file sizes, and allows you to break up the footage in a way that makes organizing it easy.
I am BIG on organization…if you can’t tell.
[Ernie Santella] “Doesn’t that put extra wear on your DVCProHD deck watching the tape, then having to rewind, then run the tape through again fast-forwarding and rewinding to locate your ins/outs to digitize?”
Decks are designed to do this…they are built rugged just because of all the shuttling that it is supposed to do.
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Sure, I understand that logging saves HD space and gives you time to more accurately log clips, but not everyone does it that way.”Nope…many workflows out there. Don’t mock it because you don’t do it.
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If you’re planning on using FCP’s media manager, you should absolutely log your tapes. Same goes for using the new Smoothcam & Optical Flow tools.
MM doesn’t always work well with subclips. Smoothcam & Optical Flow want to work on all the media in a clip, not just the portion you’re dropping into your edit.
It’s also easier to scrub through a 4 or 5 minute clip to find just the right 2 or 3 seconds than it is with a 55 minute clip.
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Thanks for the responses guys!!
I’m really not trying to be difficult, I completely understand that different people have different workflows. I’m just trying to figure out why the logging ahead of time, seems to be the more popular option than digitizing while logging?
Let’s say you’re working on a corporate video that has 20 tapes (10 hrs of footage) Why is it better to log it all first, which takes at least 10-12 hrs, then, batch digitize all your list onto your drives, which could take from 8-10 hrs depending on how many keepers you’ve pre-decided to keep. I understand that you have a nice, clean list by pre-deciding your shots ahead of time, but it took a total of 18-22 hrs of edit system time to do both. (Is it because you can bill for all that time?)
I just think it wastes time, doesn’t it? I would rather be editing at full-rate, than lowering my rate for just digitizing. (You guys do charge less for digitizing – right? Most facilities do)
If I digitize while I log, I see all the footage myself, make notes while I’m digitizing and then, I’m ready to edit knowing exactly which shots I want to use. Plus, by digitizing all my reels, I have total control to use alternate takes, out-takes, swishes etc.
Am I missing some benefit that you guys are getting that I’m not?
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What works for Corporate Video with a one man band does not fit all situations. TV shows and feature films log and capture…each take is a separate clip. In documentary, we will capture a full tape for interviews, but in B-Roll, it is typically separated out by location or subject. If you had a series of forest shots and then city shots, and then freeway shots, all on one tape, I would log that as three separate clips and then capture them.
Judge Judy…each case is captured separately (I assisted on that for 6 months).
Depends on what you are doing and how fast your turn around is, and if you have assistant editors.
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[Ernie Santella] “I would rather be editing at full-rate, than lowering my rate for just digitizing. “
Why would I lower my rate for digitizing? My time is just as valuable whether I’m digitizing, color correcting, laying in a graphic or making a rough cut. And digitizing is a pretty important part of the edit process.
Here are my reasons for logging first (YMMV):
1) FCP runs better, maximizing my ability to work
2) the project is better organized, maximizing my ability to work
3) why bother to digitize footage you don’t need?
4) better use of Media Manager, Smoothcam, Optical Flow, etc.Arnie
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I’m big on log and capture as well. Even If I’m capturing a whole tape, I’ll still log it and mark in at the head and out at the tail, then either capture clip or batch.
I do it this way cuz I’ve been burned in the past by capture now not properly “closing” out the clip when it got to the end of the tape. I would let the beach ball spin for about 10min. The system never got out of beach balling. Had to force quit.
One time with the client in the room and I had to tell him, it screwed up – have to wait another hour.Since then I mark in and out around the tape even if I capture the whole tape. Granted I think this was back in 5.0. But it burned me enough that I never tried it again…fool me once…
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