Considering Sony EX?

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[Don Greening] “”Really,really expensive HD recording heads. Not what I want” :)”

Don I meant HDCAM or DigiBeta recording to SxS cards,same as on HVX200-DVCPRO50 or 1080i recording to P2 .

[Craig Seeman]

[jiri vrozina] “Don I meant HDCAM or DigiBeta recording to SxS cards,same as on HVX200-DVCPRO50 or 1080i recording to P2 . “

So you want data rates so high that the record time will be much shorter on cards than the HVX200. I guess you want the cards to cost $5000 each? Maybe it’s the 4 way striped portable hard drive attachment sorta like the CinePorter that didn’t happen only much more expensive and more years development time. .

Heck why not just take HD-SDI 4:2:2 1920×1080 out to a raid from the EX-1. That’s “uncompressed” and untouched by the MPEG2 codec . . . hmm well you can actually do that with the camera . . . now where to find that protable raid belt pack with quiet fans.

[Don Greening]

“If you build it…..they will come.”

– Don

[Don Greening]

[Craig Seeman] “‘d be skeptical about assertions on codec wrangling since the NLEs (and/or Sony) may not have updated importers yet to handle MPEG2 wrapped in MP4 (rather than MXF).”

I’d keep a close eye out for this author’s next article. Simon says (don’t start) at the bottom of this article (link below) that he’s going to explore the EX-to-NLE workflow.

https://www.simonwyndham.co.uk/pmw-ex1-first-look-part-2.html

– Don

[Tim Kolb]

Keep in mind that Convergent Design has a box on the way that utilizes Sony encode to MPEG at HDV/XDcam rates, 50 Mbit/s 4:2:2 long GOP and 160 Mbit/s 4:2:2 I-frame from a “baseband” serial input (HDSDI). Other than the HDV and XDcam settings, these are full raster (1920×1080) HD files BTW.

https://forums.creativecow.net/readpost/183/855187

Once you remove the long GOP encoding, have full raster 4:2:2, and raise the data rate to 160 Mbits/s…I can’t see how this file system doesn’t trump the HDcam encoding/compression system.

***…camera heads and lenses and the images they produce being a separate issue from image encoding of course.

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[Don Greening]

TIm,

Thanks for the news about the Flash XDR recorder. Once I have the time to read through everything concerning this (new) technology I’ll be better equiped to make a decision on whether it makes sense for a small shop like ours. Preliminary reading however, has my mind racing at the possibilities. It certainly makes sense if we start shooting XDCAM.

Now back to my DVD authoring and burning. Customers are waiting 🙂

– Don

[Chris Babbitt]

So the EX is a stop faster than the 300 in low light? Then, how does the 300 compare to the HDV 1/3″ cameras in low light?

[Steve Wargo]

Craig, Did you have a chance to put hands on the EX1? We are interested in getting a few of these and we’re looking forward to testing one soon. I am holding a project back that is perfect fr this camera.

I have spoken out against the HVX200 because of the inability to effectivly store the original files but the BluRay backup makes sense to me.

[Craig Seeman]

They had two at HD World. They wouldn’t let them leave the tripods though. I tested such things as Expanded Focus and Peaking and was very impressed. I also played with the ability to rack focus by hand and stored setting. I was impressed by the ability to “variably pad” the audio ins (rather than just a 10 db pad). I had a lot of workflow questions that were answered (and some they couldn’t answer definitively).

As someone who was looking at the HVX200 when it came out and eventually decided against it for many reasons, I have far fewer reservations about the EX1.

I think backing up EX1’s .mp4 to Blu-Ray will be much more practical (IMHO) than P2.
P2 is a folder full of things that can “go wrong” IMHO.

There are far fewer times one would have to back up in the field if you need to go that rouge given XDCAM’s lower data rate GOP structure and, thus, longer record times on the cards.

Having the option to go to XDCAM disc will be good too for certain projects (although I’m hoping the discs will support 1920×1080 at some point).

A couple of “odd” things about the camera was that Sony couldn’t say what would work with their “unique” lens control port. You’d think they’d be coming out with something for that.

The other is the 77mm thread for the lens but they’ll be adaptors for that for sure.

[G.a. Kokes]

Hi,

We are also very excited about this camera. As a run and gun tool, one operator, small form factor, 1/2″…Sony really MAKES A compelling argument. I wish that it would do 422 at 50mbs…but then there would be no reason to spend another $8 – 10K in 2-3 years from now, right? I also bet Panasonic will up the ante with a fixed lens 2/3″ version of the HVX200 (HVX300?).

We almost bought into the HPX500, however the XDCAM EX won out.

Now if only our REDs will ship in time… this Dec!

G

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