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  • Gary Huff

    August 24, 2011 at 5:24 am

    [Gerald Baria]And internet will only get cheaper. Im thinking forward here.

    Tell that to the Canadians. And we may not be that far off.

  • Carsten Orlt

    August 24, 2011 at 5:24 am

    🙂

  • Gerald Baria

    August 24, 2011 at 5:31 am

    And the profession that were in is in a massive change due to the proliferation of all digital capture + distribution. Digital is opening up this whole new side of things where things can be done simpler, with less equipment. Yeah I know its scaring those old established post houses heavily invested on equipment, but that has already passed. Events coverage now uses cameras that cost $700 and making the same or or money, than those with $3K video cameras. And they deliver quality on par with those other guys. FCPX is the last piece of the puzzle…Its cheap, powerful and has tons of potential for improvement.

    I may not understand the sentiments of those old business owners suddenly being overtaken by newbies in the industry with cheaper gear, It must hurt a lot, but thats reality. Man If I was manufacturing floppy drives back in the day apple releassed a mac without one, Id be furious too. But instead of closing, I will start investing on CD manufacturing for my futures sake.

    Quobetah
    New=Better

  • Scott Sheriff

    August 24, 2011 at 6:09 am

    [Gerald Baria] “I may not understand the sentiments of those old business owners suddenly being overtaken by newbies in the industry with cheaper gear, It must hurt a lot, but thats reality. Man If I was manufacturing floppy drives back in the day apple releassed a mac without one, Id be furious too. But instead of closing, I will start investing on CD manufacturing for my futures sake.”

    LMFAO!
    It certainly takes a special kinda’ person to celebrate the demise of the upper echelon of an industry that you have seem to have an interest in working in. Especially in a public forum. A real career move sure to be appreciated by colleagues, clients and employers alike.
    BTW, where did you get your MBA?

    Scott Sheriff
    Director
    https://www.sstdigitalmedia.com

    “If you think it’s expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur.” —Red Adair

    Where were you on 6/21?

  • Shawn Miller

    August 24, 2011 at 7:14 am

    “Your not part of the editor demographic that will be financially sensible to “immediately” move to FCPX because of the fact that your heavily invested in FCP 7 gear, (plug ins,hardware etc.). Thats fine. But for the rest of the other guys, those that are about to go inoa transition period of upgrading their systems, those new businesses that have an al digital workflow, and all the new editors that want to get into the game and looking for a system to invest into, in short, those who are thingking about their future, FCPX should be a great option.”

    I think you may be missing a bigger point here. For smaller post houses, individual producers/contributers and younger artsist, there are already very good and promising options available… ones that work today in traditional and cutting edge workflows. No need to wait for some unspecified time in the future when a v.1 application will be as capable as what we have today. If I’m not missing anything now, what’s my incentive to even try FPCX?

    “Given that there are currently stability issues, minimal plu ign support, file sharing capabilities but those have been promised to be fixed…”

    This statement does not inspire confidence… 🙂

    “…AND WHEN THEY DO, what becomes of your previous opinion about FCPX?!”

    I’ll be thinking “wow, FCPX is finally working. Good thing I didn’t jump on it when it wasn’t working.”

    “Suddenly it becomes the fastest most powerful editimg software that exists…”

    That’s assuming all other NLEs will stay in their current state… my bet is that they won’t. Adobe, Avid, Sony, Boris and other aren’t exactly playing catch up with FCPX as it is.

    “…and all the new editors that youll be hiring, those exposed on an all digital workflow…”

    You should be aware that all digital workflows aren’t new. I (personally) haven’t shot on tape for almost five years now… I think the last time I edited source from tape was three years ago.
    I suspect that there are thousands of producer/editors like me. BTW, I have hired editors who have had little or no expereince with tape… (again) no need to wait for FPCX to mature.

    “…The iPad have just recently made the largest PC manufacturer give up..”

    If you’re talking about HP, I’m not sure you understand what really happened… HP is spinning off it’s consumer PC business. Professionals will still have the option to purchace powerful workstations. If not from HP, then other vendors still exist.

    Shawn

  • Glen Hurd

    August 24, 2011 at 7:54 am

    First time I’d have to disagree with you Scott 🙂 What demise? From newbies? Is he serious? I’ve never seen a newbie do anything besides waste his life away for $10/hour doing wedding videos, or run around shooting misty scenes of ducks on water, with pirated music beds that he can post on Vimeo to tout a website, or running around getting coffee and doing errands in exchange for getting sage advice on how to really tell stories. I’ve never heard of a single professional editor anywhere express fear over an approaching newb. I guess they have a place at the bottom – where we all started. But that hardly effects the middle or the top – not for another 5 or 10 years. And by then, I doubt the editing profession will be talking in “storylines” and “events.”

    A newb with FCP X is like a newb with a one-button mouse. Sure it’s simple. Now, can you draw me a picture of a rock? There you go! Very nice. Very nice.

    The only newb that has my feathers ruffled is Apple. They are total noobs – at writing pro software. Anyone looked at Aperture lately? Oh sure, they just keep adding feature after feature – not!

    Considering their new interest in incorporating gestures into Lion, I have a gesture here for them. The one-finger salute. Put that in your iCloud and smoke it.

  • Gerald Baria

    August 24, 2011 at 10:06 am

    “If you’re talking about HP, I’m not sure you understand what really happened… HP is spinning off it’s consumer PC business. ”

    Actually I completely understand, as I mentioned I have this little obsession with gadget news.:) It was mentioned in their earnings call that the ” Tablet effect is real” and they are feeling it. Majority of their revenue is on mobile pcs, majority of those mobile pc prospective buyers who will use it for simple non intensive tasks are now just buying tablets specifically iPad. If they fought, invest on webOS they are posed to loose significant amount of cash for an unforseeable profitabke future which may or may not be successful, and given the example of all competing tablets no one is successful except Apple. They cant afford to risk that much money and effort so they decided to follow a different business, Enterprise software, so they bought Autonomy,while they still have cash. PC business will be spun off, i.e sold to another vendor which may or may not make it successfull. In other words, they gave up. And its the giant ipod touch’s fault.

    Quobetah
    New=Better

  • Timothy Auld

    August 24, 2011 at 11:19 am

    duplicate post

  • Timothy Auld

    August 24, 2011 at 11:21 am

    What you seem to fail to realize is for a good many of us FCP X as it exists now will not serve within our present workflows. It’s not a choice not to use it, it simply won’t work for us in its present state. We couldn’t use it if we wanted to. It’s not yet up to the task. And i personally can’t afford to wait to see if Apple has the intention of making it so.

    bigpine

  • Walter Soyka

    August 24, 2011 at 11:54 am

    A professional application should not sacrifice control, nuance, flexibility, or capability for simplicity.

    Speaking generally, simplicity is a benefit for consumers, not professionals. Professionals will tolerate complexity as a necessary tradeoff for the feature set they require to do their jobs well.

    In other words, as you said:

    [Gerald Baria] “Power in the hands of the user, not the other way around.”

    I’m not saying that a professional application must be complicated; I am saying simplicity should not be the primary design consideration, and the extent to which FCPX aims for simplicity at the expense of control, nuance, flexibility, or capability is the subject of much of the discussion here.

    [Gerald Baria] “New=Better”

    I very strongly disagree with this statement, especially in the context of this forum. While I think that FCPX advances some great new ideas (like clip connections and pervasive metadata), they’re bundled together with some questionable design choices (the self-collapsing relative timeline and the color board). I don’t think it’s true that every new concept in FCPX is an improvement over what came before.

    Walter Soyka
    Principal & Designer at Keen Live
    Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
    RenderBreak Blog – What I’m thinking when my workstation’s thinking
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