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Come on! Debate away… Where do I go from here?
Richard Herd replied 12 years, 9 months ago 15 Members · 42 Replies
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Walter Soyka
July 24, 2013 at 10:14 pm[Craig Seeman] “Subscribe for ever or lose your programs.”
Or pay as you go, renting either individual apps or the whole collection month-to-month, as necessary.
But yes, you must pay to play.
Walter Soyka
Principal & Designer at Keen Live
Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
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Walter Soyka
July 24, 2013 at 10:33 pm[Nicholas Zimmerman] “I love the rigging and publishing aspects and use it all the time. My buddies will call me and ask if I know of a plugin to do XYZ, and if I don’t know of a free one I’ll just make one in motion and email it to them.”
No doubt, rigging/publishing is a brilliant feature with immensely powerful possibilities.
I wasn’t asking about using it to make quick freebie plugins, though, but rather extensive design systems for branding. As Craig points out, this would be a natural use for rigging/publishing, but I haven’t seen it in the wild yet in my little corner of the world and I’m curious to hear if there are any other designers on board with M5.
Walter Soyka
Principal & Designer at Keen Live
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Bernard Newnham
July 25, 2013 at 9:01 amIndeed. Nothing is forever, and I’m sure if they found a cheaper or more efficient alternative they’d take it. When FCP looked like the future, there was much thought on getting together the cash to buy Macs for just that, but that whole scene has gone away now.
For editing Edius is standing in the wings being much promoted by a part time lecturer who also does work for Grass Valley. It’s an excellent low cost editing system which is the standard in some countries. If I didn’t have to major on PPro, that’s the one I’d be using.
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Bernie
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Ronny Courtens
July 25, 2013 at 11:36 amAbsolutely, Aindreas, but this is a debate forum after all (-:
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Ronny Courtens
July 25, 2013 at 11:49 amBroadcast dept. does TVC, trailers, episodic, long-form doc and narrative post for national broadcast. Plus a lot of in-depth sport and cultural programs (no news). Our other post dept. does subtitling and dubbing for the European market (cinema and television).
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Aindreas Gallagher
July 25, 2013 at 9:04 pm[Walter Soyka] “extensive design systems for branding.”
I remember us talking about that a bit back – controlled brand deployment to third parties really does seem like a natural use case for rigging and publishing. same here tho, I’ve actually never seen motion in the wild over here.
the closest I’ve seen is the brand toolkit for Price Waterhouse Cooper, you get all their master files – I mucked around with all their mograph assets doing a job recently – but it was, of course, AE stuff with colour coded locked layers. I duly set about unlocking them… mwaa ha ha ha…
https://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos http://www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics
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Andy Dadekian
July 26, 2013 at 12:30 amGood stuff. I totally agree with you.- too much negativity! I’m taking FCP X for a test drive and I was wondering if you could answer a couple of questions:
1.) I’ve been trying to figure out a way to make a dialogue breakdown for an entire feature. Do you have a method for that? In FCP 7 i would mark in’s and out’s then type the dialogue in the “Name” column. Time consuming but effective when searching for words.
2.) You mentioned that multiple users can’t use it concurrently but (assuming all the media is shared) can i transfer a sequence to someone else on another computer so they can make changes to it? -
Charlie Austin
July 26, 2013 at 2:02 am[Andy Dadekian] “1.) I’ve been trying to figure out a way to make a dialogue breakdown for an entire feature. Do you have a method for that? In FCP 7 i would mark in’s and out’s then type the dialogue in the “Name” column. Time consuming but effective when searching for words.”
Boris Soundbite. 😉 Apart from that… similar way to do it mark in’s and outs, hit F (favorite) and then rename it in the list with your dialog. Personally I just make a “Good Dialog” keyword, assign it to a number key, then it’s just 3 keystrokes, “I-O-number” and they all show up in a keyword collection that I can just scroll through. You could do that, and then go back to each range and either do the favorite thing in the KW range, or type the dialog in the notes column. I’m sure there are other methods, maybe someone else will chime in.
[Andy Dadekian] “2.) You mentioned that multiple users can’t use it concurrently but (assuming all the media is shared) can i transfer a sequence to someone else on another computer so they can make changes to it?”
Yep. There are a couple ways. If both you and the other person have an event with the same media, you can just essentially give them the project folder. They’ll need to change the event reference when they open it, but it’s one click. There’s a good write up here:
Or this.. easier:
The other way is to select the Project (sequence) in the library, CMD-D to duplicate it, and choose “Duplicate Project + Used Clips” It’ll make a copy of the cut, and a new Event with all the clips. (make real sure you’ve not copied clips to your Event originally, ‘cuz it’ll try and copy all the media if you did) Then open the duplicated sequence in the timeline, select it all and click OPT-G to make it a compound clip. Make sure it’s being put in the New Event that just got created. Then just give the other editor that Event Folder from your drive. You can then trash the new event and the duplicate sequence (from within X, not in the Finder!) if you want.
It sounds more complicated than it is… it’s really only about 3 keystrokes… And once it’s done, you can just take back the Event with the cut in a Compound Clip. Or, If the other editor makes a new project with you cut, they can just give you that change the event references back and relink anything new they added, and off you go. Again, not quite as bonehead proof as FCP 7 or something, but really easy.
There are a bunch of other ways, using Disk images and stuff… again, maybe someone will pipe in…
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Richard Herd
July 27, 2013 at 12:38 amX proved recently to be a pain in the ass. It was a simple job: just cut some graduation footage as a pop tune played it’s catchy chorus. I wanted to simply drop edited footage into the chorus, at minute 1 or so. Not perfect editing conditions. In tracks based editing it’s simple as can be. Even cutting film is straightforward there. You clip out the feet you want for the chorus and you save it over there in that bin, right there, that you can touch and pick up and tape when you’re ready. So that’s what I did sorta; I used key words and had to make a compound…it was weird. In tracks, I mark where the chorus begins and ends, and I cut a bit, and then put it on track 1 or maybe track 2 or maybe 99 — who cares! Then I can 4-point edit stuff as I need. X is definitely for me at its best cutting narrative. J-cuts and L-cuts are so fast as to be mesmerizingly simple. But simple montage–a real pain, for me. I must be doing something wrong here.
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David Eaks
July 27, 2013 at 1:17 amHi Richard,
I’m trying to figure out what exactly about FCPX made this project a pain for you. There are lots of ways to work, I’m sure we can figure out a workflow that suits your needs, for use in future projects.
I figure if you are cutting to the music, as many others have suggested in the past, place the audio on the primary. Edit in video as connected clips. Use secondary storylines to group sections of connected clips which will all stay together, anchored to a specific point in the audio. Or even make one big secondary as a “Track V2”.
Or if you want to stick with video in the primary, you can add a small gap clip to the start of the timeline to act as an anchor point, connect the audio to that. This way the audio is not attached to any of your video clips and it will stay put throughout the edit.
Sorry if I’m off track from what your saying.
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