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  • Christian Schumacher

    October 24, 2011 at 8:39 pm

    The sad part of all of this. IMHO;
    Is that Final Cut Pro and iMovie will be consolidated in a near future.

    The logic is to drive consumers to iOS and streamline everything for this.
    The App Store and iTunes along with iPhone and iPads will take over soon.

    This kind of abrupt disruption from a somewhat different past is what is hurting here.
    Not that it doesn’t make sense but it is hurting nonetheless.

  • Jeremy Garchow

    October 24, 2011 at 8:41 pm

    mmmmm, ok

  • Steve Connor

    October 24, 2011 at 8:50 pm

    [David Roth Weiss] “However, for those editors who may not be as adept with FCP legacy,”

    That’s certainly the reason I use it David

    “My Name is Steve and I’m an FCPX user”

  • Craig Seeman

    October 24, 2011 at 9:17 pm

    [Christian Schumacher] “The sad part of all of this. IMHO;
    Is that Final Cut Pro and iMovie will be consolidated in a near future.”

    Not likely at all. There’s no basis for this. Just as Randy Ubillos wanted to call iMovie, First Cut. there will be two apps for two different skill levels. There’s no economic or business sense to have just a $300 app or just a Free app.

  • Christian Schumacher

    October 25, 2011 at 2:06 pm

    [Craig Seeman] “Not likely at all. There’s no basis for this. Just as Randy Ubillos wanted to call iMovie, First Cut. there will be two apps for two different skill levels. There’s no economic or business sense to have just a $300 app or just a Free app”

    My call is not unlikely at all. Not feasible today, I grant you that. But, not if
    the iPhone+iPod+iPad line along with App Store/iTunes becomes 100% what Apple is.
    Wouldn’t make business sense if they consolidate both competing programs to, say $49?

    And how come there’s no basis for this?
    What just had happened to Final Cut Pro Studio Apps and FCP Express?
    How many Pro Apps have Apple been killing lately? It’s hard to keep up.

    Most of the people I talk about in this thread are from iMovie.
    FCPX is what they were waiting for. Hence X opening their projects.
    And interestingly also the Studio ones too, mind you.
    They wanted FCP X for a simple but more powerful experience.

    7 out of 8 liked a lot to play with iMovie in their iPads…
    And Apple is working that out for them, that’s my point.
    They will reign as a maker of “premium tablets” that are capable of editing.
    In a world of tablets makers that’s how they’ll get differentiated.

    Apple is democratizing video technology to a much broader user base.
    I feel this is accelerating, lately. It is fun to play with, actually.
    Is it the “event horizon” coming? Then, what? “singularity”?
    🙂

  • Craig Seeman

    October 25, 2011 at 2:50 pm

    [Christian Schumacher] “Wouldn’t make business sense if they consolidate both competing programs to, say $49?”

    No because FREE iMovie is one of Apple’s selling points for Macs. As long as Macs exist there will be a fee editing program . . . and a paid editing program that requires much more aggressive R&D. This is and has been Apple’s business model just as there’s iPhoto and Aperture.

    [Christian Schumacher] “How many Pro Apps have Apple been killing lately? “

    Actually none of them where Apple’s. They were all based on out of house code including FCP7. Apple brought everything in house. Apple is about control and they now have their own originated and controlled code base.

  • Walter Soyka

    October 25, 2011 at 3:01 pm

    [Craig Seeman] “As long as Macs exist there will be a f[r]ee editing program . . . and a paid editing program that requires much more aggressive R&D. This is and has been Apple’s business model just as there’s iPhoto and Aperture.”

    Ironically, with both iPhoto/Aperture and iMovie/FCPX, big “R&D features” like facial recognition and the magnetic timeline premiere in the consumer-level app and then trickle up a year or two later to the pro-level app.

    Walter Soyka
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  • Craig Seeman

    October 25, 2011 at 3:11 pm

    And flip out LCD appeared in consumer cameras and are now including in most professional cameras. The consumer market has become the focus group for the professional market, like it or not.

  • Jeremy Garchow

    October 25, 2011 at 4:06 pm

    [Walter Soyka] “Ironically, with both iPhoto/Aperture and iMovie/FCPX, big “R&D features” like facial recognition and the magnetic timeline premiere in the consumer-level app and then trickle up a year or two later to the pro-level app.”

    [Craig Seeman] “And flip out LCD appeared in consumer cameras and are now including in most professional cameras. The consumer market has become the focus group for the professional market, like it or not.”

    Companies do weird things. R&D isn’t an exact science. You try new and crazy things and see what sticks. You learn from the failures.

    Personally, I don’t think I’d ever need shot detection, but you know, some people might really like it. It’s an option. And think of the “focus group” that Craig mentions. A lot of people have iPhoto, so I’d imagine they might get a decent amount of feedback on their face recognition option. Look at Siri, 4 million (or whatever) iPhone 4Sess sold in the first weekend, that’s 4 million people that are quite literally beta testing Siri. If all that feedback somehow comes back to make ProApps better, then yay for us, if not whatever. Look at Adobe, they choose to live out loud and show us some of the things that they are working on. I hardly ever do ADR, but they showed an ADR demo the other day and there are a lot of folks who are probably really excited about it. I wish they would work on supporting video cards a little more and show a technology demo on that, but alas, they do not. I guess I have different priorities! 🙂

    I don’t think that putting new tech in consumer hands and eventually developing it for Pro is a bad thing. I am sure every company learns a lot when doing it that way. Of course, there are advantages to just starting to shoot at a Pro target as well. R&D is rarely cut and dry.

  • Mark Dobson

    October 25, 2011 at 6:21 pm

    I’ve never used any of the auto functions in FCPX.

    They were highly touted at the April sneek peek ( not so much a sneak peek as a full launch in retrospect because what we saw there was what we got 2 months later. )

    One of the reasons I realised that FCPX and I were going to be friends was that I could turn all of the
    analytical auto functions off.

    I just can’t imaging which of my projects would benefit from these features.

    And I don’t use optimise or import media either.

    I occasionally use color balance to see what might be needed to improve a shot and I use functions like stabilise on a need to basis.

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