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Can’t open earlier FCP projects?
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[Chris Kenny] ” But multiclips and, particularly, clips created by merging dual system audio and video, seem like they’d need somewhere to live other than within sequences. I mean, say you’re editing a feature film shot dual system. You might have thousands of merged clips. I don’t think you can just dump all of them in a sequence and work from there. You have to be able to work with them the same way you can work with standalone clips, prior to editing them into a sequence.”
Yeah, its possible in the GUI they might not be directly referenced as “sequence” data per se, but I’m suggesting that the internal data model of a sequence (ie AVComposition) would certainly seem to be able to be used to describe (and therefore to map) these otherwise ‘virtual’ clips. Whether or what discrete means FCP X might offer to create, manage and to present these “clips” we’ll have to wait and see … but certainly in the show and tell we heard specifically about built-in support for automatic handling and syncing of second system audio means “merged clips” are clearly designed in, plus we saw in the “oh look its out of sync” section that Randy “stepped in” to the clip item in the timeline to resync the attached audio track which suggests that the clip itself was either a nested sequence itself or was just being represented as one in the timeline to facilitate editing.
[Chris Kenny] “It has to be some sort of merged clip.”
That does seem to tick all the boxes.
[Chris Kenny] “probably like Color’s ability to import 3-way correction done in FCP: a starting point”
Yep, I think we should be able to reasonably hope for this.
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[Chris Kenny] “You might have thousands of merged clips. I don’t think you can just dump all of them in a sequence and work from there. You have to be able to work with them the same way you can work with standalone clips, prior to editing them into a sequence.”
[Andy Mees] “…I’m suggesting that the internal data model of a sequence (ie AVComposition) would certainly seem to be able to be used to describe (and therefore to map) these otherwise ‘virtual’ clips…”
Hi Chris and Andy
Thanks for the clarification- I’m feeling for a non-technical understanding of all this. 😉It seems to me that what we call ‘sequences’ in FCP 7 will in FCP X exist as OS X/iOS system-level AVMutableCompositions – which look to me in theory to be capable of becoming – recursively – as complex as necessary…
Everything contained within the ‘sequence’ will be either AVAssets (clips), AVCompositions (merged clips) or AVMutableCompositions (combined clips and other nested-type editing blocks). This would include multi-cam capability, which would just be another multi-video-track AVMutableComposition.
All this is going on at OS level, and the database to define all this myriad of AVAssets/Compositions/MutableCompositions has to be part of the OS’s AVFoundation methodology.
So FCP X’s role in this process is
a) to provide a GUI to manage the development of this data – creation of new assets/compositions etc etc
b) to provide tools to modify the underlying AVAsset data – colour correct it etc etc
and
c) maybe to be a database-management supertool to handle the extensively layered datasets that the editing process will require of the OS.So the ‘project’ in future will not at all like it has been done in the past 🙂
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[Andy Mees] “plus we saw in the “oh look its out of sync” section that Randy “stepped in” to the clip item in the timeline to resync the attached audio track which suggests that the clip itself was either a nested sequence itself or was just being represented as one in the timeline to facilitate editing.”
Yeah, this was really interesting to see. I’ve always found it frustrating in FCP that if a merged clip is slightly out of sync, you can’t just pop it open as if it were a sequence and slide things around to fix it. FCP X definately seems to blur the lines between sequences and merged clips, and I suspect it handles multiclips the same way as well. That’s extremely powerful, I think.
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I’m pretty sure that was NOT what I said Walter. I was there too 🙂 Greg listened in and he concurs that was not what I said.
What I said was that FCP 7 projects will import to FCP X by exporting XML from FCP 7 and importing it to FCP X. There is support for legacy XML import. (and apparently import only, we will see).
So everyone stop panicing. That’s not what I said and it’s not what I expect.
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FWIW, Apple are clearly doing something with Sequences and the underlying Database that isn’t currently supported in AVFoundation – in AVFoundation there’s no “getnextinterestingevent” which would be needed to build a sequence purely in AVFoundation.
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[Philip Hodgetts] “So everyone stop panicing. That’s not what I said and it’s not what I expect.”
Phew!!! What a relief!
THNX for stopping by the Cow to clarify Philip.
Hey, we’ve got to arrange that long overdue get-together we discussed a while back.
David
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