Calling all thunderbolt users,

[Jeremy Garchow]

[Neil Goodman] “Alot ofthe audio guys are up in arms about this as well. So many audio interfaces are firewire.”

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[Jason Jenkins]

Guys; Bret was joking…

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[Craig Seeman]

I’m peeved about my useless NuBus cards. Then there’s the stack of SCSI hard drives that cost like $200 per Gigabyte, ALL RENDERED USELESS by Apple updating their technology.

And where’s the friggen punched paper tape reader for my EDLs. I don’t want a file convertor, I want a paper tape reader to Thunderbolt adaptor. Those edit sessions might need revisions!

[Walter Soyka]

[Jeremy Garchow] “Can we, right here in this thread, get some rampant speculation and general discontent about Apple single-handedly trashing everything we’ve ever worked for because they replaced fw800 with a far more useful, capable, and technologically advanced bundle of protocols? Please?”

Happy to oblige!

Disclaimers: I’m not exactly pining for NuBus. I understand that old technology must make way for the new. If I had to choose between FW800 and TB, I’d take TB any day of the week.

I do think the vast majority of users in our little corner of the world would have been better served by an oh-so-slightly thicker iMac that had those 2 cool Thunderbolt ports, those 4 USB 3.0 ports (plus maybe another 2 for good measure) and 1 or 2 FW800 ports for legacy storage and peripherals.

Firewire has been a staple of the Mac platform since the dawn of the DV revolution, and it stings a bit to have it ripped off like a Band-Aid. Thunderbolt is clearly the future, but I think a slightly longer grace period on Firewire’s sunset while Thunderbolt naturally marches toward peripheral dominance on the Mac would have been useful.

It’s not really a big deal, since we do have the (chain-ending) Thunderbolt-Firewire adapter, but I could have gone for another generation or two with FW800 on the system. Then again, I could also go for another millimeter and a half between the USB ports on my MBP so I could plug in one of those regular-sized thumb drives next to anything else…

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[Jeremy Garchow]

[Walter Soyka] “It’s not really a big deal, since we do have the (chain-ending) Thunderbolt-Firewire adapter, but I could have gone for another generation or two with FW800 on the system. Then again, I could also go for another millimeter and a half between the USB ports on my MBP so I could plug in one of those regular-sized thumb drives next to anything else…”

Can’t wait for this thing.

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[Frank Gothmann]

You do understand that the FW-TB adapter will only work with non-storage devices if the driver for that device is TB aware. For hard drives that’s a non-issue, for most other devices, especially audio gear, scanners and cameras it is a big deal. Virtually none of them will work, and a lot probably never will. Great move again.

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[Jeremy Garchow]

[Frank Gothmann] “You do understand that the FW-TB adapter will only work with non-storage devices if the driver for that device is TB aware. For hard drives that’s a non-issue, for most other devices, especially audio gear, scanners and cameras it is a big deal. Virtually none of them will work, and a lot probably never will. Great move again.
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Finally! I knew it was coming.

Jeremy

[Frank Gothmann]

[Jeremy Garchow] “Finally! I knew it was coming.”

Good. Then you can probably also explain the advantages of dropping FW (and optical drives) from desktop machines so they end up a few mm thinner.

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[Jeremy Garchow]

I don’t have an answer for you as I don’t work for Apple, but fw800 and optical drives are connectable to Mac machines if you need them.

I don’t feel bad for Apple if audio gear companies don’t want to update a driver. Thunderbolt is better than fw800.

There are refurbished and warrantied machines available from Apple if you really need a built in fw and optical drive port.

My $4,000 ioHD is a door stop, and I am not crying. I used it for a really long time. It served me well. It’s now old.

Ironically, AJA released thunderbolt aware drivers before Thunderbolt PCIe enclosures or the ioXT were even available and released.

The alternatives are better, faster, and cheaper.

Just as we had to adapt PS/2 to USB, I think we’ll make it.

[Brooks Tomlinson]

Jeremy Garchow , you high jack my thread, lol. But bret on a windows, I think the end is near, the mayan were right.

Thanks For all the responses, just wanted to get some feel for peoples workflow.

Brooks Tomlinson
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