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blackmagic and psystar
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The legal battle between Psystar and Apple is interesting to say the least…It brings the question of EULA enforceability and especially some of its points to be more precise. The question in my view isn’t what Psystar is selling or its quality, but the whole concept of others selling machines with OSX installed. If nothing else Apple must know by now that people really, really want their OS. They just don’t feel covered from their hardware range, I mean a macbook pro with no ExpressCard slot? Really? (By the way that could be an SNL news Section with Seth meyers), its not only about money its also more about choice.
Groklaw and OSnews has been following the case and the lawyer Shenanigans.
By the way I’ve been running an Gigabyte/intel nehalem based machine with Leopard and Vista x64 happily with my decklink about a month now…
Cheers…
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By the way I’ve been running an Gigabyte/intel nehalem based machine with Leopard and Vista x64 happily with my decklink about a month now…
Ditto only with a Intensity pro.
On the legal thing, I think Pystar must have SOME leg to stand on or Apples legal would have blown them out of the water by now.
Randy Johnson
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I am not sure what you boys do for a living, but I use more PC’s than I use MAC’s, and professional PC’s from HP (like the xw8400, xw8600 and new Z800) are EXPENSIVE. So are IBM Intellistations, so are Dell Precision 690 workstations, and so are BOXX Systems PC’s.
How you folks are running your businesses (and making money) with $500 PC’s is beyond me.
Bob Zelin
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Bob,
Try and understand not everyone who edits is making movies or commercials there’s a lot of guys out there doing weddings and corporate work (like myself) that simply dont need a $3000 pre-built system. I build my own systems for about $1000 to $1500 which do everything I need and at least for now run just as fast as a Macpro. There is nothing a Macpro can do (that I need) that one of my systems wont do and I don’t see a problem with someone going to the Apple store and buying a copy of Leopard (snow or not) then going home a installing it on hardware he bought himself.Randy Johnson
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Exactly my point (point what Bob talks about).
Good super reliable computer on pc world are costly.
If mac hardware seems costly then you just go to pc and adobe route and thats it. No woodoo there.
I still see pretty strong balance between apple software and computer pricing compared to boxx etc.
With 500 buck computer there you are more on your own if something happens and you are on deadline. If thats is ok then i see no point to be sad about not getting osx. Just go the adobe route and you will be fine. It is not the os that makes the final result. The person that operates this machine is.
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Margus
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[Margus Voll] “It is not the os that makes the final result. The person that operates this machine is.”
Yeah, but one does need some tools and find solutions on a project. Sometimes being only on the windows world doesn’t bring the best tools available and you find yourself needing more choice.
[Bob Zelin] “How you folks are running your businesses (and making money) with $500 PC’s is beyond me.”
I personally never had a 500$ computer and the one I have costs more than triple that, without peripherals and special cards.
Bob, I’m a director and producer. I work freelance so I don’t own\run a production house. If I did all my systems would probably Mac Pro’s or HP’s. I do need however to be able to do some or a portion of my professional work at home, pretty much the same way an audio engineer can sort and cut an audio project at his/her home and export an OMF/AAF and then work the mix in a Dolby Digital certified mega-studio. In a similar manner I may do some editing at home and have a Flame artist for example do some CC or compositng on a Flame Workstation, but I may need to do/test stuff on Shake or Color prior to going in the production house, or I sometimes do 75% of the work at home…you catch my drift?
Now’s the time that we need powerful systems at home and we sometimes use workarounds to get what we want. Apple isn’t giving the hardware range people want and we do need a good price/value ratio and we maybe want to overclock, you don’t need that type of stuff so you probably think its worthless, but hey, its not.
Although support on off-the self systems is not the same as a support plan from HP or Apple Care. At least all my hardware is on a three year warranty. Apple gives just one year and you must pay any additional time.
I’m in a schedule were I constantly move files from Mac’s to PC’s to production houses, to my colleagues, in other houses, over the internet, you name it. My old career was in IT so I’m probably more relaxed with computers, but that means I’m more specific in my needs…
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Hi again.
One thing some RED people are testing is 17″ MBP with pci extender or something like that for red rocket.
I think something similar would work with editing and capturing cards if someone tested it with compressed formats. Only question is where you put your media as express slot is filled. FW 800 maybe.
I have no idea about the cost but generally it is possible in theory and then you could have your mobile, home, testing machine. No mandatory 8 cores. I i’m considering this one against iMac for home testing unit.
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Margus
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I’m probably not all that qualified or experienced to add my 2c worth to this discussion, but I will anyway 🙂
Down here in South Africa where we struggle to get the balance right between being third world and trying to act first world it is difficult to run your facility only on Mac Pro’s or HP/Dell/whatever pre built ‘supercomputers’. Because by the time you get those baby’s down south… the price has been inflated so much that it gets a bit crazy.
In our facility we run all PC and all custom built PC’s. But they don’t just get slapped together in a day after randomly picking components from a catalog. They get researched and tested to make sure the components work together and that they will work for what they are built for and that they will run the software etc
For example, I have 2x Intel Core i7’s and if I wanted to go the Apple route, my only option would have been to get MAC PRO systems at a much higher price, becuase Apple dont have anything in the same market. It’s either Quad/Dual Quad Core XEON based systems or an iMac with no options for capture cards RAID’s etc
I also have a Dual Quad Core XEON system running with 24GB RAM which cost me probably the same that I would have paid for a MAC PRO, but then I would have had to add a lot of extra cost to add more RAM, extra drives etc to get to the same level as the PC.
I think it is possible to run your facility on custom built machines as long as the builder of said custom machine is not your auntie’s gardeners cousin who slaps together systems in his garage in his spare time. Just do your research, know your components and do things properly or find yourself a technology partner that can do that for you.
Cheers.
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2 things 1. I dont remeber anyone saying were using a $500 computer My i-7s have the best motherboards on the market with intel chip and cost about $1,200. Just because you pay a lot for a computer doesnt mean its any better. Id put my i-7 up against a Mac pro any day. in fact its better because it can properly run Windows too. The difference between one of mine and a Mac pro or a Boxx is your paying $1500 to have someone put it together and give you a warranty. Which is important if you dont have the ability to maintain your own machine but its not to me.
Randy Johnson
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In the beginning the post was not if it is possible to use self built computer but does mac os support BM on non apple machine.
Yes you can work on “self-made” machine on windows perfectly. I have built all my win machines and they work perfect if you know what you are doing. If you want to use mac os then there is a reason for that.
Only the possibilities to use them are limited a bit.—
Margus
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