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Are NLEs like bicycles?
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[David Lawrence] “Which is exactly why the name of this forum is still perfect!!! ;)”
Except that folks who have not been here before might get the idea it is about personal preferences specific to FCPX when it is really more about general NLE preferences at this point.
What about “My NLE or not”?
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[Michael Gissing] “I appreciated the point however, but I have just finished a three part doco on brain training called “Redesign My Brain”. This is exactly what the doco deals with”
That sounds very cool Michael. When and where is it going to be available?
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Broadcasting on Australian ABC from 28th May but also we are reversioning for Discovery so it will play in the US and Europe later in the year.
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[Michael Gissing] “Broadcasting on Australian ABC from 28th May but also we are reversioning for Discovery so it will play in the US and Europe later in the year.”
Nice. Hope I’m able to catch it when it hits the States.
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[David Lawrence] “A laughable demo”
I take your point David about Apple feeling like they were solving “problems”
Thanks for reposting this. I had forgotten how bad a job the presenter did. Just in terms of how nervous he was and stumbling all over his words.
How he didn’t even have the program there to actually show how it worked. He just described how it worked and kind of poorly.
But given all that, what jumps out at me are the reactions.
They loved it.
[David Lawrence] “despite the applause you hear at this sneak, the eventual release alienated a significant portion of the professional editing community”
That’s what get’s me though David. The people in that room were reacting to what they saw in realtime.
Before they were told by others that they should hate it, they liked it : )
[David Lawrence] “If the engineers and UX designers had bothered to actually talk to FCP users during development,”
I just don’t believe they didn’t talk to FCP users. It just doesn’t make sense to me.
When Schechtman took to that window to give that presentation back in 11, there was no way he knew that program in that kind of detail in that short time period. He had his hands on that program way out.
They were listening to him, and there is no way he was the only one.When Evan showed up, it was impossible to make the argument that he had never seen that program.
Just my take.
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David, it’s been four freeking years. But every day I read threads elsewhere with the same misguided crap like “X is only good for short form’ and “nobody in professional editing uses it” and “you can’t do commercials with it because I heard you can’t set up a :30 timeline with it.
That is precisely what I called it. Editors willfully unwilling to take the time to “get it.”
Nobody says that crap about Premiere or AVID or Vegas for heavens sake.
But every day on boards where working editors should should have some grounding in reality of how ALL the modern tools function – post crap like this.
So what other conclusion can I come to but that there is a rediculously large group of editors out there who still “don’t get” X?
Know someone who teaches video editing in elementary school, high school or college? Tell them to check out http://www.StartEditingNow.com – video editing curriculum complete with licensed practice content.
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[Bill Davis] “So what other conclusion can I come to but that there is a rediculously large group of editors out there who still “don’t get” X?”
You know Bill, there’s actually a ridiculously large group of very smart editors who really do “get X” and don’t like how the software operates for very real reasons.
I think if you were able to acknowledge the fact that maybe there are some real problems with way the software operates without calling those of us who point them out stubborn idiots, it would do wonders for the credibility of your argument. Just sayin’.
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[Bill Davis] “Nobody says that crap about Premiere or AVID or Vegas for heavens sake. “
Wow, seriously? Did you just come back from drinking with Aindreas? No other NLE gets crapped on? Really?
Every NLE gets crapped on which is why I find the victim mentality by some X users so hilariously unbelievable. 4 years? Cry me a river. FCP legend didn’t start losing it’s “Oh, you can’t afford an Avid?” stigma in LA until around FCP 5 or 6 so… that’s 6-8yrs after launch. Of course even today, 16yrs after FCP 1.0 was released, you’ll still find people that think that FCP Legend was a piece of crap. Oh well.
How long was Avid that thing that only people that weren’t ‘real’ editors (i.e. film or linear editors) used? And then how long was Avid that over priced crap that people only use because it’s entrenched in the industry and too expensive to get rid of it? I started using FCP in 2002 so I’d say I first started noticing FCP users flinging crap at other NLEs like Avid in about… 2002.
No offense to our Adobe friends here, but AFAIK Premiere (and I don’t just mean Pro) has been crapped on as an only-for-wedding-videographers, also-ran NLE by Avid and FCP users up until about CS6 or CC so that’s a good 15-20yrs. And to be perfectly honest, if Apple had released FCP 8, instead of FCP X, PPro would still be on the outside looking in. It wouldn’t have mattered about how good it was because, well, it would still Premiere.
The sooner people stop seeking universal validation for the choices they make the sooner they are one step closer to living a happier life.
4 years. lol
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[Andrew Kimery] “No other NLE gets crapped on? Really?”
How about the “Your NLE is crappier than mine” forum?
I think we can all agree that a ridiculously large group of very smart editors will never agree on anything.
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