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Apple’s bet against Tracks by Alex4D
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[Franz Bieberkopf] “Any ideas?”
Free editing.
Multi-Modal editing.
Editing.
Just kidding here. How about Classical Film Editing.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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[Craig Seeman] “Fundamentally I’ve always thought that using tracks vertically to edit and horizontally to organize was at cross and often conflicting purposes.”
Craig,
Why? Please explain. And don’t you mean “vertically to organize and horizontally to edit”? Or do I completely misunderstand you?
Franz.
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[Herb Sevush] “Free editing.”
Herb,
Reminds me too much of multi-modal love and heady days of yore.
Franz.
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[Charlie Austin] “One click to visually isolate, or solo, whatever I want…”
So can you see the dialogue tracks at the same time – do they come up in a different color, and can you leave the highlighted colors on as you work?
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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[Craig Seeman] ” I’ve always thought that using tracks vertically to edit and horizontally to organize was at cross and often conflicting purposes.”
First of all, for me, the use of tracks is totally different for audio and video. Audio is a layered system, it’s harmonic at it’s essence. Video is about juxtaposition. Tracks allow you both organizational and editorial options for both simultaneously.
I understand that you prefer the trackless approach Craig, I’m sure many do. The argument that I can use Avid or PPro doesn’t sit well with me however. Neither is a satisfactory alternative for me. It would have been nice for Apple to either continue developing simultaneously or sell Legend off to someone else. I’m not surprised they did neither, I don’t quite expect the universe to be organized according to my druthers. Still the argument that I can F’n well go elsewhere does not quite cut it.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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[Herb Sevush] “So can you see the dialogue tracks at the same time – do they come up in a different color, and can you leave the highlighted colors on as you work?”
You can leave the highlight on as you work, (hell you can trim stuff while the sequence is playing…) and highlight as many things as you want, but currently it’s only one color. I’m hoping (and have suggested) they’ll add the ability to use different highlight colors… don’t see why they won’t. Since I’m usually only messing with one “stem’ at a time, it’s not a big deal for me though. If they add more color options, and the option to group roles and maybe choose how they’re stacked, I honestly can’t see anything else, at least organizationally, I’d need… for audio anyway.
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[Franz Bieberkopf] “Reminds me too much of multi-modal love and heady days of yore.”
I was thinking of free jazz – ornette coleman, cecil taylor, sun ra …
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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[Herb Sevush] “free jazz”
That’s not a bad direction. Maybe “compositional editing”.
Franz.
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[Charlie Austin] “and highlight as many things as you want, but currently it’s only one color.”
Which, in plain english, means you can’t isolate your distinct types of audio at any one moment, which means you don’t have tracks in any meaningful way.
[Charlie Austin] “Since I’m usually only messing with one “stem’ at a time, it’s not a big deal for me”
Well I like to know where everything is at all times. Call me anal, but I don’t like editing in the dark.
[Charlie Austin] “If they add more color options, and the option to group roles and maybe choose how they’re stacked, I honestly can’t see anything else, at least organizationally, I’d need… for audio anyway.”
If and when they do that, then you can make your argument about X having tracks. I would still prefer consistent alignment to consistent colors, but that’s just me (and probably every UI designer who ever lived.)
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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nothin’ attached to nothin’
“Deciding the spine is the process of editing” F. Bieberkopf -
[Herb Sevush] “First of all, for me, the use of tracks is totally different for audio and video. Audio is a layered system, it’s harmonic at it’s essence. Video is about juxtaposition. Tracks allow you both organizational and editorial options for both simultaneously.
Sorry to jump in here, but I think where they’re going with X is going to allow you to do that, it really isn’t “trackless” and it’s not as limiting as some people think. I’ve mentioned some things that would make audio work more like I’m used to, which is maybe what you’re looking for too. They could do some other things which would eliminate the need for fixed tracks with video as well. A right click selection to “always leave on top” or something like that. There are a lot of possibilities here….
[Herb Sevush] I don’t quite expect the universe to be organized according to my druthers. Still the argument that I can F’n well go elsewhere does not quite cut it.”
Having just been playing with MC 6 and Pr 6, I agree. I haven’t lost hope yet. 🙂
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