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Apple sues RED over RAW Patents
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[Oliver Peters] “As long as you are recording to an external device (Atmos or Codex, for instance) […] or an image sequence (like cDNG), then you are generally OK, AFAIK.”
Erm… unfortunately no, that’s the problem. Otherwise AtomOS wouldn’t have been bullied into paying RED “licensing fees”, for whatever those are even for. For reading a raw sensor data? For using (an entirely different) compression? For writing data to a disk? Because unless I’m missing something that RED themselves can actually lay intellectual claim to beyond that, that’s essentially all that the patent covers (simplistically put of course). Those things in combination.
So, again, unless someone can point to something RED in fact contributed intellectually to the procedure that can be considered unique enough and that others such as AtomOS are doing, the patent is ludicrous imho and merely born of ignorance at a time where I guess no one really understood what it was they were patenting i.e. the ramifications.
And if cDNG is not effected, then why did BMD recently remove it from their cameras if not because of RED looming over them? Granted, it’s even more useless now than it ever was, with all the newer RAW formats, even BMD’s, but they didn’t exactly make some die-hard DNGing purists happy.
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[Robin S. Kurz] “And if cDNG is not effected, then why did BMD recently remove it from their cameras if not because of RED looming over them?”
No, BMD removed it in order to facilitate/market/encourage the use of their own BMD RAW codec. Other cameras, like DJI still record cDNG without issue. Of course, I’m not quite sure of the technicalities about BMD RAW and why they haven’t run afoul of the same patent. Or maybe that simply hasn’t happened yet.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters – oliverpeters.com
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[Oliver Peters] “Other cameras, like DJI still record cDNG without issue.”
Also, FWIW, the DJI Zenmuse X7 records ProResRAW in-camera, not externally. Which then, of course, gets us back to Apple’s challenge. Or so I would guess.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters – oliverpeters.com
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unfortunately personal opinion about whether a patent is ridiculous doesn’t really make the grade for whether it can be ignored…
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Not sure how you can class something as a scam when clients receive a working product. The major scam was surely jinnimag buying cheaper parts, asking for help on forums on how to modify firmware and then selling them to an established client base at a similarly inflated price that didn’t have to account for the r&d of the original product. Jinni are literally the equivalent of the guy who rings your customers up and offers to do your work for less money while bad mouthing your professional abilities – just appalling.
Perhaps evaluate how expensive a codex drive is that uses no different technology?
However I’m not solely defending red – the PR from that debacle was terrible and it has eroded trust from many potential buyers; the Komodo launch and the next 6 months are a key time for them to thrive or just survive.
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[Tom Sefton] “Not sure how you can class something as a scam when clients receive a working product. “
Exactly.
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