Apple Fanboys Anonymous

[Matt Callac]

[Craig Seeman] ” Things can “stick” (connect” to clips when I like it. If I want to build a track with transitions etc.”

Exactly, no more annoyance of having to lock video tracks to do certain operations.

-mattyc

[Ben Holmes]

Unfortunately, tempers have now run so high on this forum that anyone trying to be objective or defending X is dismissed as a fanboy, or a paid shill. It’s a shame, and does no credit to anyone. It would be easy to say that those on the other side of the debate were paid shills of AVID or Adobe. I do not – and note that no one ‘defending’ X has attempted to do so.

I’ve had enough of it now – I’ll stick to the techniques forum.

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[Juan Morales]

I have to agree with you Ben. Still, it’s not nice to hear “You don’t know what you’re talking about” from someone who makes wedding video’s.

[Craig Seeman]

It’s one thing to disagree with the folks at MacBreak Studio. It’s another to accuse him/them of being Fanboys. They may like FCPX or at lest its potential.

[Mitch Ives]

[Ben Holmes] “Unfortunately, tempers have now run so high on this forum that anyone trying to be objective or defending X is dismissed as a fanboy, or a paid shill. It’s a shame, and does no credit to anyone. It would be easy to say that those on the other side of the debate were paid shills of AVID or Adobe. I do not – and note that no one ‘defending’ X has attempted to do so.”

FWIW, I don’t have any issues with anybody that likes FCPX or wants to be a fan boy etc. That’s perfectly fine, and I see a lot of good in FCPX.

What I have a problem with is people telling those of us (with considerable experience) that our concerns are unwarranted (and no I’m not referring to you in any way).

It hasn’t gone unnoticed that a lot of those people criticizing us don’t have anywhere near the same level of experience. Just because someone doesn’t see the problem doesn’t mean there isn’t one.

Is FCPX going to fail? Of course not. Will it be great? Probably… the question is how long will we have to wait for that, and how many of you here will have the luxury of waiting? Everyone needs to answer that question themselves… no one else can tell you what to do.

Feel free to flame now…

Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.
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http://www.insightproductions.com

[Ben Holmes]

Mitch – I have no interest in flaming anyone, but any long term COW member can see this has got out of hand. I’ve had disagreements with many people here before – for example Walter Biscardi. We’ve always managed to have a frank and polite discussion.

I also take your point about experience. Unlike some, I’ve been working in broadcast for 15 years – I do very little else. I also have major workflow issues in X – I just think I’m more prepared to wait and see if they’re solved. Actually, Apple today promised solutions to two of mine – audio outputs, and XML support. But still the bricks keep flying.

I’m not sure what brings me back here, given the quality of some of the discourse. I think I’m afraid that X will not be given a chance to grow. Underneath the surface, I think it night be worth a chance, even if Apple used up all my goodwill. Does that make me a fanboy?

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[Mitch Ives]

I totally understand your point Ben, and I hope I was clear enough that my post had absolutely no reference to you. I agreed with your point, and just thought that it would be nice if this could always be a two way street (or is that bi-directional).

I have a wait-and-see attitude like you. Unfortunately, I do need two things added before we can really use it. After that I’ll wait for the rest. Doesn’t mean that I don’t like what they’ve done.

FWIW, I will say that I never would have named this FCP anything. I would have called it iCut 1.0… “the future of editing”, so everyone knew it was a radical departure and not in anyway an FCP upgrade. I also would not have discontinued FCS3, but then I have a business degree and all of this seems so obvious.

That’s what Apple did when they brought out OSX, and we all understood.

Keep posting Ben, people are getting benefit from your efforts…

Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.
mitch@insightproductions.com
http://www.insightproductions.com

[Matt Callac]

[Mitch Ives] ” I would have called it iCut 1.0… “the future of editing”, so everyone knew it was a radical departure and not in anyway an FCP upgrade. I also would not have discontinued FCS3, but then I have a business degree and all of this seems so obvious.”

I totally agreee. Those are the two main misteps as I see it. If it weren’t for the FCP name people wouldn’t have had the expectations of all the features already being there.

And if they’d have kept FCS 3 on sale, there wouldn’t be as many people yelling about apple not caring about the pro users.

-mattyc

[Ben Holmes]

Mitch – totally clear, and all agreed.

I actually found going back to work, testing and planning for FCP jobs this year most instructive. A mature, stable and complete product is what we all need. Right now I have one I like – and the edits I do what not be done any quicker or better with another tool.

I think everyone will reach a point when they know they will stick or move on from FCP. I’m nowhere near that yet.

Ben

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[Craig Seeman]

Agreed.

I think one big reason why everyone is thrown by this is that Apple had been a company that has well managed some very difficult transitions in the past.

The move from OS9 to OSX and the move from PPC to Intel. Both transitions took more than a year. Both allowed one to use older utilities whether it was “classic” mode or “Rosetta.” Apple did nothing to create a transition period from FCS2009 to FCPX and FCPX, which is a great forward thinking foundation, is not even close to ready to replace FCS2009.

Without an assisted transition buffer with time for FCPX to mature, many are forced, by necessity to move away. Others, who are now distrustful of a business that did not allow for a transition will also move away because they are business risk averse for good reason. And the third group are those that simply do not like the new foundation and that’s to be expected as people have their NLE preferences.

None of this discounts the potential that FCPX has. The question is does Apple want to or have a strategy to recover any of the above. They may or may not. Apple isn’t likely to say but the FAQ they posted does show the immediate direction. Apple may feel that over time the industry itself will transition and that may be their long range target.

I personally think FCPX shows promise and that, understandably, is inadequate for many for practical reasons.