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Another FCP X screenshot?
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Great tips, thanks Andy. But interestingly, XML export doesn’t support multiple audio tracks, only the audio from the source clip, no additional laid tracks … Probably shouldn’t draw any inferences from that!
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Simon, I don’t think you understood my post. I agree with you that they have certain similarities in the GUI and in certain functions. Some may find these functions helpful, others will not.
I think you missed the “fundamental” point of my post which was: the ecosystem of the entire Final Cut STUDIO is what I am most interested in. I may or may not use some of the new features in Final Cut ProX itself but if it utilizes all 8 cores of my Mac Pro and accesses all 24 gigs of ram and utilizes my 5770 GPU I’m happy. I’m sure I’ll be able to figure out how to edit well on it. What’s more interesting to me is the fate of the other Apps in the suite, most notably Color, Soundtrack Pro, Motion, and Compressor. If these “Pro” apps are updated as well as FCPX I’ll gladly pay $299 for each application. If they are abandoned, I’ll be moving to Premiere.
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Yup, I totally agree with that – I was commenting more on the topic in the OP which was the basic identity between the two apps.
Like you I use pretty much all of the rest of the suite all the time and very much depend on it. I have to say I’m finding it very hard at the moment to see how you get from an iMovie like editing application (which may or may not be a great leap forward) back to a situation where you’ve got a more or less integrate suite of apps on the old model (which is now of course also the Adobe model and increasingly well implemented by them)- especially since there was not one single mention of this aspect the other night, whatever may or may not have been dropped in conversation to the Larry Jordan’s of this world. It does seem a rather strange oversight. Why not say: “if you like this why not see wait and see what we’ve done with the other apps?!” But there was none of that.
What seems pretty clear to me is that there is no meaningful sense in which, as has been repeatedly stated on no evidence whatsoever, that Color and Soundtrack Pro have been folded into the new editing app. Nobody seems to have picked up on this yet.
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[Simon Ubsdell] “They are not “similar products”, they are quite simply the same product – no two ways about it.”
No Simon, they are not. There is a shared code base certainly, and they have equally clearly built FCP X on the foundations of iMovie, or maybe iMovie in its present form is just a bi-product of the work that has been going on for the last 3 years in rewriting FCP, intriguing theories abound but either way they are “quite simply” NOT the same product. Did Avid DV Free share interface layout and design elements with Avid Media Composer? Yes. Did they share some basic fundamental operability, Yes. Was Avid DV Free a great place for aspiring Avid editors to learn the most basic principals of working with Avid editing systems, Yes. Were they the same product, of course not.
Ok, don’t know why I’m getting so feisty about it, maybe we both need a chill pill 😉
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OK, Andy, so maybe we’re getting “feisty” over semantics here rather than any basic disagreement.
To draw an imperfect analogy, I would argue for example that Baselight for FCP and Autodesk Smoke for Mac are “the same product” as their big and much more expensive brothers, and my guess is the same holds good for iMovie and FCPX, give or take. On your analogy I would disagree and say that the two AVID products are “the same”. But that’s just me!
it is for this reason that I think that iMovie 11 is worth exploring and discussing alongside rumours of FCPX on this brand new forum. Does that sound fair? 😉
What I find curious (and why I was labouring the point rather) is that a lot of folks are discussing FCPX as though it is either a brand new product with no relation to anything that has gone before or that it is somehow an incremental advance on the old FCP. Neither of these positions can be remotely correct surely?
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If indeed FCP X was really “iMovie Pro”, who cares? What REAL difference does it make?
NLE Software has been inexpensive enough for anybody to buy it for quite some time now. FCS (2009) was being sold for a song IMHO. So’s Avid. $995? My first Avid cost 64k, and did less than iMovie 1.
It comes down to this: Does the tool do it for you or not? No NLE made a better edit decision than the next NLE, right? I don’t care what code was used as long as the tool gets the jobs done I need to get done. Any NLE that works faster is welcome in my book. Video processing time is going to be minimized in this new NLE. Doesn’t matter to me who, how, or where they got the ideas for the software as long as they work, they work.
Leveling the playing field to enter the game already happened I think… FCP X could be a free download and do more than a Flame combined with Smoke and all of AVID thrown in, and this wouldn’t change what’s happened already to the world of professional editing. The tools are accessible to anybody and have been for some time.
I rather like the new interface.
It’s not the tools that give you the status, it’s the resume. Anybody can buy the tools.
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[Jerry Hofmann] “If indeed FCP X was really “iMovie Pro”, who cares? What REAL difference does it make? “
I personally don’t care one bit, to be perfectly honest, and I don’t think it was the point that Bret was trying to make in the OP.
I do however think that there is an interesting discussion to be had based on realising the essential sameness of the two apps.
In essence, it seems clear that you can delve into iMovie 11 and experience the “look and feel” of FCPX right now. If you take the trouble to do this, the chances are you will be well ahead of the curve when FCPX comes out in June.
This is not a value judgement – merely an observation that might be useful to anyone interested in the future of FCP. I imagine that would apply to most people following this forum. Understanding the development path of FCPX is probably quite a useful thing to do if you are planning on using the app in the future.
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