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And another thing… Conspiracy theories
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[Sascha Engel] “Could you tell me what is light works? I’m curious.”
It’s been around for ages, lots of film work, but it kind of revived now that it’s open source, and it’s coming to Mac.
I don’t know in Germany, but in the US commercial work is done though Agencies, and they like to spend a lot of money, probably the only sector in this industry that does, that means that if you need to take it to a top post facility for online and color and VFX, FCPX will never be used, it even may be rejected.
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OK then. What have we learned here?
That what I was thinking TWO YEARS ago – is not the same as what I know and think now.
Aren’t you SHOCKED! Perhaps in your world, thinking should be rigid and inflexible, but sadly, I don’t feel the same way. I kinda like learning new stuff and altering my opinions as new facts come into view. It make me feel like I’m still processing information properly and not just relying on the same old turgid thinking that I developed 20 plus years ago when I was learning to edit.
At FCP-X 10.0.0 (what I was learning how to use two years ago) I had a well established video editing workflow that virtually NEVER included multi-cam work with more than 4 cameras. (I also only OWNED one camera that took me nearly 6 years to pay off and own!) Today I own at least a dozen cameras if you count the ones in my iPHone and iPads – each of which I’ve used in the past six months to grab content when they were what I had available at the decisive recording moment.
Flash forward to today. I’ve done at least six edits in the past year that involved between six and 25 sources.
Now that I live in a new reality where needing to switch 24 cameras does NOT equal being the Grass Valley operator at the SuperBowl – the way I work has actually changed. Imagine that.
I consider this healthy growth.
I’m saddened that you feel that you’re stuck in the same place – with the same ideas – that informed your business practices prior to two years ago.
I’ve kind of moved on.
Since you appear to be confirmed as someone who only has derision for X, good luck with your alternatives. Hope AVID keeps upright with the shifting sands of their financial footing – or that you’re happy having your production tools access hard-wired into Adobe for the rest of your working life.
I kinda think “moving on” was smart. In my thinking AND in my NLE.
YMMV.
[Herb Sevush] “Every time you write about the joys of cutting multicam in FCPX i flash back to this previous conversation we had about 2 years ago.
https://forums.creativecow.net/readpost/335/18296
[Herb Sevush]
“Multi-Cam essentials
1) The ability to create a multi-clip with a minimum of 25 angles, no limit would be better.”
https://forums.creativecow.net/readpost/335/18336
[Bill Davis]
“I don’t want to turn my laptop into your idea of a multi-cam monster. At ALL. To me, 25 angles is at LEAST 17 too many. – at least until Thunderbolt fully implements the all optical roadmap. Anyway, I personally I don’t want the dev team to spend a minute coding in stuff that only a tiny fraction of the users will ever really need.
Maybe at some distant future point, we’ll have some kind of UBER-WiFi that lets some kid sit at their laptop and grab 25 plus real-time feeds from the cel phones surrounding a BMX race, but I’m not holding my breath for that.”Must feel good to be so right so often.
“Know someone who teaches video editing in elementary school, high school or college? Tell them to check out http://www.StartEditingNow.com – video editing curriculum complete with licensed practice content.
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There are no absolutes in this industry. Except one: “Never” never applies.
How short ARE people’s memories about the early days of FCP?
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[Marcus Moore] “How short ARE people’s memories about the early days of FCP?”
The early days of FCP has nothing to do with what’s going on with FCPX today, before it was a new software causing some stir, today FCPX is a total screw up of a well matured software.
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10.0 was brand new software. You may not like that they did that, but that’s what it is- so the analogy is perfectly relevant. Final Cut will have to prove itself all over again.
They may be able to reclaim some of those inroads in TV and Film before FCP7 usage evaporates completely, it all depends on how aggressive Apple is with improvements. I think this Fall’s release will be a big one (not having had a feature update for a year October). And Logic Pro X points to some great things.
The software is working really well for certain segments of the market, and as new new features are added more workflows will be accommodated. There’s no way to qualify your stance that it will never be used in agency work again, unless you happen to have FCPX’s 5 year roadmap handy.
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[Marcus Moore] “There’s no way to qualify your stance that it will never be used in agency work again, unless you happen to have FCPX’s 5 year roadmap handy.”
I wasn’t implying “for eternity”, I was referring to the present day and immediate future, who knows what’ll happen next, but I can tell you right now that at the post production houses I work in Hollywood none of them are using FCPX, or plan to use it in the near future, they use Avid, or they plan to squeeze FCP until the last moment.
There are at least two changes that needs to happen for FCPX to be adopted in post house for what I can see (I haven’t use FCPX much BTW, so there may some workarounds)
1. Tape output from timeline (important to do insert edits)
2. Audio tracks as in FCP.[Marcus Moore] “10.0 was brand new software.”
Well, if it’s not FCP then for certain it’s iMovie 10.
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Calling FCPX iMovie 10 is a sure sign of someone who knows next to nothing about it. That’s an old theme/meme. I always appreciate it when people self-identify.
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[Gustavo Bermudas] “none of them are using FCPX, or plan to use it in the near future, they use Avid, or they plan to squeeze FCP until the last moment.”
And that’s definitely to FCPX’s advantage. This should have been Apple’s stated goal from launch- “Stay on 7 while we transition to this new platform.” (ala OS9 to OSX)
[Gustavo Bermudas] “There are at least two changes that needs to happen for FCPX to be adopted in post house for what I can see (I haven’t use FCPX much BTW, so there may some workarounds)
1. Tape output from timeline (important to do insert edits)”
Very likely not.
[Gustavo Bermudas] “2. Audio tracks as in FCP.”
Unless Apple does a complete reversal on Connected Clips, the Magnetic Timeline, and Roles- no way. Static tracks are unworkable with the other two. And from my work over the last year, I’m not bothered at all. Some work on Timeline organization is VERY needed, but Roles metadata can solve that problem.
If they do it the right way, the argument about tracks will be rendered moot. Tracks aren’t the goal, they’re a means to an end. As long a audio work both within FCPX, or export to a DAW, don’t suffer- the goal is met. They aren’t there yet (though I do both of these things daily), but again, Logic X makes me very hopeful.
[Gustavo Bermudas] “Well, if it’s not FCP then for certain it’s iMovie 10.”
Ug…
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[Bill Davis] “OK then. What have we learned here?”
We all make mistakes, we all guess wrong on occasions,; no one more than me. Last year I predicted the Jets would make the playoffs, when the weight of logic and history would have convinced even a drunkard otherwise. But when I do meet people with real expertise in sports I tend to keep my mouth shut and listen. It’s called humility. So I guess what we’ve learned is you don’t exhibit much of that on this forum.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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yeah, well, I might have gone a bit too far by calling it iMovie 10, I admit, but, it bothers me that people call it version 1.
It’s not, they decided to call it version 10, and use the name Final Cut, it’s the same company (Apple), and they’ve been working on it for at least 3 years or more.
So, people like to cut it some slack by saying it’s version 1, but in reality, it’s a rewrite to a 64 bit platform, much like Avid Media Composer did, or DaVinci Resolve, but they didn’t screw it up they way Apple did.
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