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Joseph W. bourke
September 24, 2015 at 8:09 pmFeel free to claim it as your own, Oliver! A man appeared to me on a flaming pie and suggested it, so it’s not really mine…
Joe Bourke
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Steve Connor
September 24, 2015 at 8:49 pmWe need a forum name change “Apple FCPX – The Metaphors?”
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Bill Davis
September 24, 2015 at 9:45 pmCurious, Joe as to why you feel something as obscure as the Therimin (a thing so unusual that my dictionary INSISTS I’m trying to type “The ramen!) is a good analogy.
80% of the way anyone edited in 7 they still do in X. It’s just the 20% of highly leveragable thinking like keyword ranges and magnetic operation that makes it different.
I’d say grand piano verses an electronic keyboard is a MUCH fairer analogy.
Oddly, I have a friend who is a touring keyboard tech with huge Rock Shows. The first thing his team does when a performer needs a Grand Piano on stage is to buy one – rip out its guts – including the keyboard – and put in a modern electronic unit with piano samples. It’s dumb to move and constantly try to keep the older mechanical tech in tune on the road. ; )
And so it goes.
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Jim Wiseman
September 24, 2015 at 11:10 pmFunny, Andrew, I feel a kinship with those 20 somethings who had just gotten into FCP7 only to have it dropped by Apple. Adrift. Just like I felt after heavily getting into Premiere Pro CS6 only to have Adobe drop the “rent or your projects disappear” bomb on us. Pay for as long as you want to be able to edit, or gone as soon as you stop. I can only describe it as a sense of betrayal given the change of approach I had to take to avoid it. Not to mention the waste of time and money purchasing CS packages and learning them for years. I also don’t think people now in high school or early in their college years will have the problem with FCPX that those who had already learned the earlier paradigm might have had. It is all new to them.
Like those 20 somethings, I have gone back to my other NLE’s as a stop gap, but fully intend to replace them with FCPX as soon as I am competent in it, which should be shortly. There is a wealth of excellent training out there, and I have acquired it and am feeling quite comfortable with FCP. About to enter into several years of documentary projects that would have probably been done on Premiere. Very happy that FCPX is available and is doing what I need it to do in an enjoyable way. It is well suited to that type of production.
BTW, we are talking about editing systems, NLE’s, not pianos or theramins or automobiles. These comparisons seem rather childish to me, but I will throw one last one out there.
When I open my garage, I want the car to be there, paid for, and not repossessed by the leasing company.
Jim Wiseman
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Oliver Peters
September 24, 2015 at 11:22 pm[Jim Wiseman] “I have gone back to my other NLE’s as a stop gap, but fully intend to replace them with FCPX as soon as I am competent in it, which should be shortly. “
I’m not trying to be flip or offensive when I ask this, but if X is so intuitive or easy, why aren’t you that proficient already? It seems like that’s the heart of this observation.
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Andrew Kimery
September 24, 2015 at 11:24 pm[Oliver Peters] “I’m not trying to be flip or offensive when I ask this, but if X is so intuitive or easy, why aren’t you that proficient already? It seems like that’s the heart of this observation.”
Learning anything takes time and Jim doesn’t want to cut into his ‘complaining about Adobe’ time too much. 😉
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Michael Gissing
September 24, 2015 at 11:27 pm[Andrew Kimery]”So far the gist I’m getting is that not everyone works the same way so one man’s steak might be another man’s cardboard.”
Mashed potatoes, steak & cardboard. Please lets not go to food metaphors. Cars, guitars & theramins are bad enough but why risk the wrath of vegan or paleo editors. They are even more rusted onto crazy ideas than many on this forum.
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Jim Wiseman
September 24, 2015 at 11:30 pmI only started to apply myself to it about a month ago. I sure as heck didn’t learn Media Composer in a month of my spare time. It is also a lot deeper than it first appears. And sorry, I’m only trying to keep up with the FCPX detractors. Pretty thick around here.
Jim Wiseman
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Joseph W. bourke
September 24, 2015 at 11:38 pmBill –
I was only using the Theremin in terms of the technique in playing it: the grand piano of course has 88 keys, and the theramin, in essence, has one key. I was equating the multiple tracks in a “normal” NLE (notice normal in quotes, no aspersions cast), as opposed to the theremin: single “key”, as many notes as you want. As a matter of fact, the Theremin, since it has no keys, per se, has the ability to play an infinite number of notes, and the pitch generated is based upon the hand’s distance from the antenna (no contact at all with the instrument).
I was a professional musician for many years, and it is very interesting how that field has changed. When electronic synths first came into being, the musicians union banned their use at union gigs, because the synth had the potential to put many analogue musicians out of work (horn and string players especially). There are many pianists these days who still insist on fully acoustic pianos – for example, Paul McCartney (not that he’s a pianist, but he’s pretty good on the piano) uses Yamaha Grands on tour and in the studio. Just as with NLEs, one’s choice of tool is purely dependent on their preferences. There just is no right or wrong choice, whether you started out cutting film, or learning FCPX.
Joe Bourke
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Joseph W. bourke
September 24, 2015 at 11:41 pmI sure wouldn’t want to eat a cheese steak and edit at the same time! :>)
Joe Bourke
Owner/Creative Director
Bourke Media
http://www.bourkemedia.com
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