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After a year has perception of FCPX changed?
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Bill Davis My “harping” as you put it, is a reaction to the many, many people who show up here (like the post that started this thread) that PRESUME that the change to X was some kind of disaster and can only be seen as such.
Actually I never FPCX itself was a disaster in the original post. I said the publicity surrounding the release was a disaster. I don’t think there is any question of that. Just google the reviews of the time. Watch the Conan O’Brien clip. Frankly, all the negative reaction following the initial release still taints the product IMO. There are plenty of folk that won’t even give FCPX a chance because the label “non-professional” (deserved or not) has stuck.
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[Jeremy Garchow] “Herb, do you work truly unlinked or just with linked selection off?”
The first thing I do after I create an assembly is unlink everything. If you notice the “nothin’ attached to nothin” below my name it refers to my style of editing. Possibly because of all my multicam work, possibly because I started out cutting film, the idea of leaving my audio attached to the video seems like editing in molasses. But in order to cut the way I like I need to be able to see my sync relationships at a glance, constantly.
I’m away shooting next years series this month, when I get back I’ll open up my PPro 6 disks and give it a test ride. From what I can discern so far I do not think it will be the answer for me. As much as I don’t want to I might have to spend another year with Legacy, cursing Apple under my breath.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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[Herb Sevush] “possibly because I started out cutting film, the idea of leaving my audio attached to the video seems like editing in molasses.”
Sounds like Avid is the NLE for you. Sync locks are off by default and clip linking can be toggled off as well (not sure if it’s on or off by default, it used to not exist at all).
Andy
https://www.timesavertutorials.com
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[Andy Neil] “Sounds like Avid is the NLE for you.”
After avoiding it for 15 years, you might be right. One of my issues going with Avid is we now shoot in ProRes. There’s no way I am going to re-wrap 14 Terrabytes of material (which is what we create when we shoot a series) to DNxHD. I know Avid claims it can now work with ProRes directly, but I have to know that I’m not loosing any functionality doing so.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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I don’t go out of my way to unlink SOT (though I always work in unlinked mode) but so many projects I work on involve stems from a separate source than the video, and all they have in common is a 2 pop and TC (which might or might not have a constant off-set) that those windows have become essential to me.
There’s certainly no shame, btw, in sticking with 7 for another year. I’m pursuing Adobe and Avid, but I’m fairly confident that I’ll be cutting at least something on FCS a year from now.
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[Herb Sevush] “The first thing I do after I create an assembly is unlink everything. If you notice the “nothin’ attached to nothin” below my name it refers to my style of editing. Possibly because of all my multicam work, possibly because I started out cutting film, the idea of leaving my audio attached to the video seems like editing in molasses. But in order to cut the way I like I need to be able to see my sync relationships at a glance, constantly.”
Linked selection off serves that purpose, but also allows alt selection. Do people not edit with linked selection off? I use it all the time, and turn it on all the time, too. Basically, all the time, I’m turning it on or off and liking it.
You prolly won’t like premiere then. Im sure you know, there’s no Sync indicators for unlinked clips, and you must alt select to move independently.
What I do like about premiere is even though there’s no keystroke for moving a/v to different tracks, simply grabbing a clip and dragging audio down or video up moves only the audio or video to adjacent tracks and not both. I find it much faster than 7.
Of course in x, none of that shit is necessary, hahahahahahaha!
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[Jeremy Garchow] “Linked selection off serves that purpose, but also allows alt selection. Do people not edit with linked selection off? I use it all the time, and turn it on all the time, too. Basically, all the time, I’m turning it on or off and liking it. “
Don’t even know what “linked slection off” is, which is not unusual with programs like Legacy – so many options, so many ways to do the same thing differently that every time I watch another experienced editor work I learn something new. I’ll have to look into this when I get back to the editing room.
[Jeremy Garchow] “You prolly won’t like premiere then. Im sure you know, there’s no Sync indicators for unlinked clips, and you must alt select to move independently. “
So I’ve heard, which explains my gloom.
[Jeremy Garchow] “What I do like about premiere is even though there’s no keystroke for moving a/v to different tracks, simply grabbing a clip and dragging audio down or video up moves only the audio or video to adjacent tracks and not both. I find it much faster than 7. Of course in x, none of that shit is necessary, hahahahahahaha!”
While I know you’re being funny here, the fact is “that shit” is always necessary. The magnetic timeline simply lets you move something first, then sort out the implications later. With standard timelines you have to think first, then move. No matter which way you do it thinking will, unhappily, still be involved.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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Good points Clint.
It would be cool to work on some experimental type stuff you described.
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[alban egger] “But FCP7 now REALLY looks like the lame duck it always was. CS6 wipes the floor with FCP7 from what I read and saw (but never really had time to try it). So what do the FP7 disciples think about their NLE?”
And isn’t amazing that a “lame duck” became the industry standard all around the world?
Anyway, the only one to blame for the shortcomings of FC is Apple.
They kill him last year but in fact they stopped any serious developing by FC.6.
They had a great tool, but instead of improving it they waisted few year planning how to flash the audience.
If, as you say, PPCS6 wipes the floor with FC7, the people at Adobe must be laughing out loud for all the work Apple have done for free for them.
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Herb,
I totally agree some of the features you want are only in FCP7. Some might be in CS6 and Avid. Few of those are in FCPX the way you are used to them. But as I did in other discussions with you 😉 I could point at just as many features in FCPX that are by now just as vital to me (and many others) that are in the FCPX paradigm more important than tracks and sync-markers (I have yet to miss the sync marker once in 11 months! it simply is not needed in FCPX)You are absolutely right the tracks give a better visual overview. Maybe not for the initial editor, but when someone else comes to the project later. But to people who are used to FCPX and set the projects up properly with roles, it is very easy to get an overview with the roles and the item list. Not the same quick overview, takes a minute more, but a new editor is up to speed fast just like in FCP7, despite the missing tracks.
The inability of copying and pasting certain effects is the biggest problem of FCPX….you are absolutely right. That is a huge missing tool in FCPX and I wonder what takes them so long to bring it in.
The bad news is: FCP7 is legacy….nobody will come its way. Everyone will move away from it. Maybe FCP7 was the best NLE for its paradigm and couldn´t be improved (other than 64-bit) and for the sakes of generating new sales the software-giants move along without the need for moving along. I am happy Apple did move to X, but I understand if someone just doesn´t need anything else than FCP7. But I don´t hear only good things from CS6 and I definitely don´t hear only good things from AVID and I have a lot of bad things to say about FCP7…..so it will always be a compromise and I wish you luck finding the perfect replacement when you need to find it.
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