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AE7 thoughts
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Are you nuts? …when I said some people were getting paid by Adobe…I, in no way meant the CC forum leaders..if they took it that way then that is their issue (talk about egos) …secondly, if I can’t voice MY comments about issues I have encountered by using this software, then by all means kick me off…because I THOUGHT this was an open forum…if some people don’t like what I am saying, respond with an open dialogue in a civilized manner..but if they go crying to you saying “someone is saying things I don’t like.” well, then it is not much of a forum…I am not cursing or yelling at anyone, and who did I insult?? I am just commenting on my problems and my work experience..who did I insult?? Yeah, I had some problems..that is the topic so if THAT is too hot an issue then, so long and thanks for the fish..
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Actually, the COW isn’t an open forum. It’s a place where people describe their technical problems and others volunteer their time to help them solve those problems. Occasionally there are announcements, reviews and design issues, but these are all meant to improve the working environment. There are also a few blips of noise when a new release comes out, but these generally peter out after a short while.
If the COW weren’t structured as it is, it would have a much lower signal-to-noise ratio, and fewer problems would get solved amid a sea of rants, bitchings and shout-outs that eventually threaten to engulf many open forums.
The issue is not your opinion of AE7, but this reference: “I have heard glowing comments from people being paid by Adobe to say positive things but reading comments here…..seems like the hand has greased the palm….hmmm imagine that…” implying bribery to anyone who knows the metaphor. You were referring to positive descriptions of AE7 that you’ve read here at the COW, and many of those descriptions were written by COW leaders. The connection to offence is not very hard to make. Now, if I were in your position, I’d think “I’ve just offended a lot of people whom I respect, since I come to the COW because I value the leaders’ opinions, not because I like to read my own rants. It was not my intent to offend any of the COW leaders, but I hate offending people I respect, even if the offence was unintentional. I’d better apologize”.
It takes a big man to apologize. You have everything to gain, and nothing to lose.
(And you wouldn’t copy and paste the statement in quotes, because that would be lame.)
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[eric rosner] “Are you nuts?”
No, just irritated that someone would use so little supporting evidence, cast aspersions, do it without clarifying who you were talking about and then feigning chagrin that people are offended by your remarks. Own your own words, Eric, and spare me the self-righteous chagrin.
[eric rosner] “When I said some people were getting paid by Adobe… I, in no way meant the CC forum leaders..if they took it that way then that is their issue (talk about egos) …”
The only ones getting paid by Adobe around here, is the site itself and we didn’t write any of the reviews, Eric. We aren’t producing the content but go to real working artists, not paid journalists, to get it. Neither we nor Adobe tell our leaders what to write about. Personally, if we did it that way, the content would be far too restrictive for my tastes.
So, if you were not insulting the forum leaders, that leaves only the Cow itself. (After all, you were speaking here — and if you wish to say you weren’t referring to the Cow, then why not post wherever these questionable comments were made?) We do not have an official policy that we force onto our leaders and writers regarding reviews, etc., so we have little control. To be honest, we prefer it that way — this, as we get far more input and fresh ideas than repeating our opinions.
Like you, I am free to my opinion just as you are to yours. What you are NOT free to do here in the Cow is act like a high school kid whose ego is unrestrained and unfettered by any semblance of respect for others — so much so, that your first words seem to be things like “Are you nuts” and the like…
If you cannot listen to nor respect the ideas or input of others, and wish to have your say in a manner wherein you disparage the character of others and insult them like a teenager with a bad attitude, then perhaps you really do need to remove the Cow from your list of places to visit. This site is about community and free speech has never been given a near-religious mantle here — at least not when it’s used as little more than an excuse for flaming people and questioning their character and painting them as juvenile ego maniacs (this, when it’s pretty clear who is being juvenile here).
Bye, Eric. We will remove you from our various files, etc.
Ron Lindeboom
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While you did make no personal insults, you made unfounded assumptions that are hardly bearable. The general gist I get from your statement is: Anybody who’s even trying to see something good in AE7, is a fool and must have been paid to do so because in your world AE7 is a heap of horse droppings. In some ways this gives you an ugly face like the ones that some of your caricatures/ illustrations show (which have an interesting style, but are in an odd way disturbing).
My problem is not that you try to devalue the efforts of a single person, but of an entire group of people without giving any constructive criticism. You know, I’m known to be cynical, rude and impolite at times and I just love bashing software, but I feel I at least always provide an explanation as to why I do so and I can get across my message. You failed in doing so and thus can only be filed in a category commonly known as “trolls” these days. You have succesfully destroyed all your reputation and credibility with this one stupid post. Even if you are allowed to stay on this forum, you shouldn’t expect too much help anymore from the people at which your post was directed. It’s your own loss.
Just for the record: Many of the people you tried to mock are definitely better and more experienced AE users than you, myself and most likely a few other people as well and have tried to further development of AE on levels you can’t even begin to understand. I found working with them very enlighting and is has opened up my very limited view of the AE world and if nothing else, I’m thankful for having had a chance to get them to know. Perhaps you might try it some time…
Mylenium
[Pour Myl
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[eric rosner] “issues I have encountered by using this software”
I’d be more than happy to discuss issues you have encountered USING the software. But your posts lately have been mostly trolls and flames like this one, and nothing about concrete issues you’ve run into.
Bar3nd
Forum COWmunity leader for:
ADOBE AFTER EFFECTS
MAGIC BULLET SUITE
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[Ron Lindeboom] “We do NOT tell our leaders or members what to say”
Amen to that. As a matter of fact, many of the COW’s leaders would be quick to point out that we prefer to do our own reviews completely independent of the COW so that we are more forthcoming with the other pros that use our reviews. To say that we’re not autonomous is wrong. To say that we are paid, directed or spoon-fed quotes for our reviews is both misguided and misleading. Even if your implication wasn’t directed at the COW’s leaders or users specifically, it’s still a blatant slap across the eyes to all professionals. These tools are our livelihood and we respect them as they are, for better or worse, although I heartily say that Adobe has rarely missteps with respect to advancing its creative software applications. Like Ron and the others who have taken the time to address your post, I’m outraged and feel abused.
Michael Munkittrick
Managing Creative Director
Evolve Media SolutionsForum COWmunity leader for:
Sony DV
Magic Bullet
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