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Adobe Creative Cloud Terms of Use
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[David Lawrence] “They can’t. That’s exactly why I don’t want to depend on their activation servers for access to my files.”
You mean…Access to their software. 😉
[David Lawrence] “I understand why agencies might like this model. I notice that most advocates for the Cloud seem to be attached to agencies or facilities. If I was in that camp, I probably would feel different too. But speaking as a freelancer, Creative Cloud doesn’t make sense and is not a good value for me. From what I’m seeing online, there are many others like myself who agree. I still want to give Adobe my money. I would even pay a fair premium for perpetual use. There are lots of ways Adobe can create a win-win if they’re really listening.”
I hear that.
I’m sure it’s not as easy as it seems. I really do think there’s some serious licensing concerns as well as development cycle issues (as I said in another thread, why does InDesign have to be ready for NAB2012 announcements?) and the CC was Adobe’s attempt to wrangle the absolute run away mass of programs they create and support…but…
A smoother transition period would help.
And colleague to colleague, if the Cloud really doesn’t make sense, GTFO of there and find something else that does make more sense.
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[Jeremy Garchow] “As a complete coincidence, check out the first question to Adobe’s CEO:”
Jeremy,
I’m not sure if you’re suggesting “Mashable” as some sort of representative voice (of what?), so I’m not sure what significance you would attribute to their “first question”. Shantanu Narayen seems very concerned about channel partners, the financial model, performance metrics. I don’t know how that’s relevant to my post.
[Jeremy Garchow] “So if its not about the cost of the tool for educators, independents, and artists, what is it about?”
I’ll respond with a question.
Do you think that post facilities, freelancers, educators, students, and artists assess tools in the same way? (Is that ROI?)
If you want good examples of the wide range of approaches and views on software, editing, and craft, I know a good forum I can refer you to.
It gets a bit intense sometimes, though.
And if you’re looking for a simple answer, it might just be easier to trust that money is the thing.
Franz.
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[Franz Bieberkopf] “Do you think that post facilities, freelancers, educators, students, and artists assess tools in the same way? (Is that ROI?)”
Asses for what?
Getting work done?
For profit? For nothing? For cheap? For Expensive?
For being able to build a curriculum around it?
Building workflows?
Connectivity?
Besides the people for which money is not an issue, what is the first question going to be?
If not the first, the second or third?
[Franz Bieberkopf] “I’m not sure if you’re suggesting “Mashable” as some sort of representative voice (of what?), so I’m not sure what significance you would attribute to their “first question”. Shantanu Narayen seems very concerned about channel partners, the financial model, performance metrics. I don’t know how that’s relevant to my post.”
It’s relevant to you saying I had a narrow view.
I was just pointing out its not narrow so much as its true. I wish it wasn’t true.
They did have access to the Adobe CEO and asked directly about the direction of CC. I thought it was relevant.
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[Jeremy Garchow] “I wish it wasn’t true.”
Jeremy,
I hope you get your wish.
Franz.
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I won’t.
It doesn’t work that way, unfortunately.
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[Franz Bieberkopf] “Educators, independents, and artists tend to have a very different relationship to their work and its future. They’ll assess tools differently in light of those values.”
[Jeremy Garchow] “And colleague to colleague, if the Cloud really doesn’t make sense, GTFO of there and find something else that does make more sense.”
Well said, Franz.
That’s when I bristle at the suggestion if I don’t like Adobe’s new licensing model, I should GTFO. Sorry, but no. That’s a defeatist attitude. I want something better.
Sure, I’ll absolutely be keeping my eye on every competing option. I’ll also continue to use my existing Adobe tools. And for the first year before they double the price, I’ll check out the Cloud to evaluate Premiere Pro. After the year’s up, I’ll decide what to do next. Meanwhile I’ll continue to let Adobe know how I feel. This is a far bigger issue to me than just one companies’ business model. I believe software rental goes against the core values that created the personal computer to begin with.
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[David Lawrence] “That’s when I bristle at the suggestion if I don’t like Adobe’s new licensing model, I should GTFO. Sorry, but no. That’s a defeatist attitude. I want something better.
“I think making noise is worthwhile if you feel moved to do so. So, I definitely not in the GTFO crowd. The thing is, I do see a point to the managed-rental model, though I don’t know yet the degree to which I agree with it. So, much thinking must ensue.
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[David Lawrence] “That’s when I bristle at the suggestion if I don’t like Adobe’s new licensing model, I should GTFO. Sorry, but no. That’s a defeatist attitude. I want something better.”
If CC was $20/mo indefinitely, would it ease the transition?
We all want something better.
With all due respect, defeatist is a strong word. I’m a guy who likes a software that’s 100% incompatible with just about anything else at the moment, and I’m pretty much A-OK with that as it’s worth it to me.
It just seems that CC isn’t it worth it to you. If it isn’t worth it, why waste time on it?
[David Lawrence] “This is a far bigger issue to me than just one companies’ business model. I believe software rental goes against the core values that created the personal computer to begin with.”
I would like to hear more. Please explain.
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[David Lawrence] “That’s when I bristle at the suggestion if I don’t like Adobe’s new licensing model, I should GTFO. Sorry, but no. That’s a defeatist attitude. I want something better.”
I don’t think you should GTFO but I guess I felt like your original post was a chicken little. My feelings probably stem in part from having gone through many “OMG do you see what this EULA says!” discussions before so maybe I’m just numb to it. I mean, my ISP, Gmail, Dropbox, etc., all reserve the right to put the kibosh on my accounts at any time. Most of them have comforting language basically saying that would probably be a last resort action but that’s really just window dressing. If you have a smart phone or tablet you’ve agreed to let Google, MS, Apple, Amazon, HP, etc., reach out and zap your software (even software you paid for) should they want to. Do I see them finding a reason to do it at the drop of a hat? No, because that would be a PR nightmare.
The Kindle example is worrying because a glitch in the system caused the person to get locked out of their account. It got resolved in the end though but that doesn’t mean an SNAFU couldn’t happen under a tight deadline. I’d bet dollars to donuts thought that the number of Kindle users far out numbers Adobe users.
It’s buyer (user?) beware all over the place and we all just need to do what we are comfortable with. Heck, I still get a fleeting feeling of fear using public parking garages because they have signs all over basically saying they aren’t liable when someone comes in and stripes my car for parts. lol
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[Andrew Kimery] “I don’t think you should GTFO”
Really, it’s the only solution.
Just kidding, guys. I meant it in a friendly way, to get the eff out of the Adobe situation, not out of this forum.
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