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A Lazy Editor’s Audio Workflow
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[Charlie Austin] “an asymmetric dissolve transition option would be a good thing. And I missed them for the first few months I was getting into X. Not anymore.”
hard to see how that goes away really?
[Charlie Austin] “I bet some of it has to do with the fact that you need to think about what you’re doing.”
no mate. In X I’m effectively doing around seven to eight very clicky things there – where I would be naturally doing one to two (if you count sliding the transition).
That scenario in X is just flat out not very workable.
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[Aindreas Gallagher] “[Charlie Austin] “an asymmetric dissolve transition option would be a good thing. And I missed them for the first few months I was getting into X. Not anymore.”
hard to see how that goes away really?
“It does. At least for me.
[Aindreas Gallagher] “no mate. In X I’m effectively doing around seven to eight very clicky things there – where I would be naturally doing one to two (if you count sliding the transition).”
To make an A/B fade using fade handles? That does seem like a lot. Hold on… Takes me 2-4, maybe a right click to change the curve for good measure.
I get that adding a dissolve is quick and easy. I can do it in X. Adding a custom, asymmetric dissolve in 7/Pr takes about the same amount of time as dragging a couple fade handles in X, no matter the ultimate click amount difference. You need to click the mouse to scrub the clip right? Maybe you need to solo the A/B tracks in a busy mix? I do too, but I don’t need to click anything to do so. It all evens out. You prefer the FCP 7/Pr method. Nothing wrong with that, but I don’t.
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[Charlie Austin] “Takes me 2-4, maybe a right click to change the curve for good measure. “
No. I really did count it charlie. 😉 after the expand audio request, then clicking on the fade handle trims and adjusting for both overlapping clips – that’s no 2 to 4 keystrokes. It’s a mess of finnicky adjustment for what should be a basic decision mate. never any harm admitting it.
I nearly think you’d feel better if you outright vocalise there’s a bit of a problem there.
because well, some bits of FCPX are a little sickly, feverish even, and may need a cure?
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[David Lawrence] “Question – how come you never see rectified waveforms as the default display for DAWs?”
Because it’s really not that important when using busses, compressors, wideners, and so on. By the time the signal flow has reached the master, the waveform sitting in the edit window is useless.
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[Aindreas Gallagher] “No. I really did count it charlie. 😉 after the expand audio request, then clicking on the fade handle trims and adjusting for both overlapping clips – that’s no 2 to 4 keystrokes. It’s a mess of finnicky adjustment for what should be a basic decision mate. never any harm admitting it. “
i counted too. You sure you weren’t using some weird European metric counting or something? 😀
My audio’s always expanded in the primary so… skim to edit point, 1 or 2 keystrokes (no clicking needed) to extend A/B handle(s) as needed, 2 fade handle adjustments (mouse click/drag). Done. Unless I mess with the curves, which i assume you’d be doing as well if you needed to right? Don’t get me wrong, I’ll use dissolves sometimes too. But even if they were asymmetric I’d still use fade handles. Nothing to admit I’m afraid. 🙂
[Aindreas Gallagher] “I nearly think you’d feel better if you outright vocalise there’s a bit of a problem there.
because well, some bits of FCPX are a little sickly, feverish even, and may need a cure?”
I’m pretty sure I’ve never claimed FCP X was all skittles and unicorns, always room/need for improvement. 🙂
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[Charlie Austin] “I’m not sure an auto-fade would be desirable, “
It should be like this: If the audio is in a secondary, then the collision creates a crossfade.
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[Charlie Austin] “My audio’s always expanded in the primary so… skim to edit point, 1 or 2 keystrokes (no clicking needed) to extend A/B handle(s) as needed, 2 fade handle adjustments (mouse click/drag). Done.”
OK – but we’re not actually talking about audio adjustments to a primary storyline AV element?
So the case is editing down a music track.
when you are editing down the track:how are you “skimming to edit point, 1 or 2 keystrokes (no clicking needed) to extend A/B handle(s) as needed, ”
I’m messing around with X right now. how are you doing this?
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[Aindreas Gallagher] “how are you “skimming to edit point, 1 or 2 keystrokes (no clicking needed) to extend A/B handle(s) as needed, ”
I’m messing around with X right now. how are you doing this?”
So, I was gonna post a step by step thing, and then had an epiphany… If you really like just hitting CMD T to use dissolves, and you need an asymmetric cross, you actually can do it pretty easily. Here:
Istill wouldn’t do it like this, it’s faster for me to just mess with connected clips, but there ya go… 🙂
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[Aindreas Gallagher] “at the edit point, you are first expanding audio components, then you are selecting and modifying the fade on the outgoing clip, then selecting and modifying the fade on the incoming clip. I believe this is correct. and that is a quite serious amount of clicks.”
The easy way to do this is to simply use shortcuts to select the edges of the clip.
At the cut point, Shift left bracket then shift right bracket will both expand the clip and select the edge.
comma/period will trim the clip one frame per key press, add shift and that will trim the clip 10 frames, option will let you nudge in subframes.
Add a fade handle.
Then shift left or right bracket (to select the other side), comma/period, add fade handle.
Back slash selects both sides of the cut point, and shift brackets will get you back down to the left/right edge.
I know what you’ll say, it’s too many steps. Well, it’s how it works for now, and for me, it goes very quick if I need it.
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