A Better Progressive Look

[Jeremy Garchow]

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[Jeremy Garchow]

That looks exactly like 24p footage to me.

[Tim Langston]

Thanks, that means the camera is working, must be something with the card….or me.

Thanks again for check that out,
Tim

Tim Langston
Cryin’ Out Loud Productions
Fort Wayne, IN
http://www.colproductions.com

[Dan Brockett]

Hi Tim:

Have you read the ASC manual in regards to panning rates? What you may think of as slow may still be considered quite fast from a cinematographers standpoint. The rates to obtain a pan with no strobing are amazingly slow.

Just an idea. There are also a lot of different components in your monitoring chain, I know, I too use the Kona 3. There are your sequence settings and Audio Video setup for FCP, the Kona settings and also there may be settings about pull down or pull up built into your monitor.

There have been many, many shows on broadcast that looked amazing that were shot on your cameras so I don’t think it is the camera. I think it is either the rate you are moving the camera or you have something set incorrectly in one of your three monitoring device variables.

And yes, if you are definitely shooting 1080 24pA, you should be ready to go as far as post, no pulldown or reverse telecine needed, I shot two PBS specials on the AG-HPX170 this year using the same settings and it worked like a dream.

Dan

A Producer Who Is Also A DP? Yep, that’s Me.

http://www.danbrockett.com

[Jeremy Garchow]

Yeah, I’m not sure what you’re seeing on your plasma as I can’t see it, but some plasmas have 3:2 pulldown detection and removal. Maybe it’s messing that up so see if you can turn it off. I doubt there’s a problem with the card. I’ll look tomorrow when I get back to the office, but my guess would be everything is a-ok.

If your video output is set to 29.97, you should see 23,98 with pulldown.

Is this your first time shooting 24p?

I’d try shooting 720p59.94. That might give you the smoother look you’re going for. Progressive is progressive. For 24p and 30p, you can adjust the shutter speed to give you more motion blur so that things are more fuzzy when you pan, therefore more ‘smooth’ but it’s up to you/your client’s taste.

As with the other comment that was posted here, i would bet that programs shot for HGTV are either 1080i29.97 or 720p60, both giving more traditional ‘video’ looks.

Jeremy

[Chris Tompkins]

It’s the shutter speed. Fast shutter, choppy footage.
@ 24p u should try 1/60 on the shutter with that pan and see what it looks like for you.

Chris Tompkins
Video Atlanta

[Mike Gluckman]

Final Cut doesn’t do a very good job of converting 24 to 30fps. Instead of doing a proper 3:2 pulldown it freezes frames. I’m not a post expert, but it sounds kinda like what you described if you were editing 24fps in a 30fps timeline. When you changed your Kona card settings, did you create a new timeline at 23.98? Does your footage still look stroby?

[Jeremy Garchow]

Mike, you are absolutely right, but the way it setup here is that fcp is a 23.98 timeline and the kona adds proper 3:2 pulldown in hardware.

[Tim Langston]

Thanks guys, I haven’t given up. I’ve now imported 30p footage from my Canon 7D and it has the jitters, maybe it is my kona card gone bad???

Tim

Tim Langston
Cryin’ Out Loud Productions
Fort Wayne, IN
http://www.colproductions.com

[Jeremy Garchow]

If it’s setup properly, no. If it wasn’t working, you’d have no signal.

Your 24p footage was all good. My thought is that you aren’t used to progressive video or your plasma isn’t setup correctly.

Why not shoot some 1080i footage as a litmus and see if you like it?