3D on DVD

[Dave Haynie]

You would definitely have to set it to the appropriate 3D mode, manually… the 1920×1080 side-by-side format is “transparent”… you don’t need special 3D gear to play it, but the television has to support that mode.

The cool thing about the way they did Blu-ray 3D.. the 3D format on the disc is always the same, but can be converted into whatever your television supports. HDMI always negotiates a proper display mode between a player and a display, but in HDMI 1.4 they added the ability to negotiate 3D formats. There are half a dozen or so different ones possible — not every display is going to support every mode. And without explicit understanding on the player, you have to figure out how to set the 3D mode on the TV, manually.

-Dave

[Max Baker]

OK, so in summary, is anyone consistently burning 3D Blu-Ray that can be watched with shutter glasses on a 3D HDTV? If so, what’s the complete configuration…software and hardware? I’m using Vegas 10 and the editing is fairly easy, and will burn anaglyph with no problem, but I’m looking to step up to the more professional appearing 3D.

Many thanks!

Max

Max

[Matt Mcgovern]

Hey all,

I am currently working on creating 3D blu-rays to easily display work my company has done, and I wanted to get feedback on/share what I’ve gathered. (please bear with me as my technical spec knowledge is far from perfect) This is where I’ve gotten so far:

I’m using Sony Vegas 10.0e (note: 10.0c does not have MVC codec support, but I believe 10.0d in addition to 10.0e do have MVC).

I’ve brought my stereo imagery into the program to cut it how I need it (to Vegas). In order to do this, you I created a “subclip” or single clip representation of two streams (in order to cut them identically). So that the streams are paired with each other (the Right eye dependent upon the Left).

One thing I’d like to note that was discussed earlier in this thread, is the side-by-side setting that can be set in the file->Preferences menu. I asked a guy at sony about this, and he said that this setting doesn’t have any bearing on what you write out of the program. That this setting is only for your stereo output/viewing as you are using the program. So, just wanted to be sure that wasn’t being relied on for the format you actually write your files in (I made this mistake at least once). There seems to be a lot of redundancy in locations for stereo settings but they don’t all affect the same parts of the process.

The more important reason I mention this is that regardless of how you are to use the stereo settings of the program (viewing, writing or otherwise), apparently (and this is upon recommendation from the gentleman I’ve been in contact with) the optimal way to use Vegas is to prepare your material for an active shutter glasses + hdmi 1.4 connection + 3D blu-ray player + 3D ready tv (that supports full 1920×1080) resolution set-up.

So, once I’ve got my cut of the material, I used “Tools->Burn Disc-> Blu-ray disc” to write out from Vegas. (Obviously this is not the only method, but this was what my contact recommended)

In the box that appears for the blu-ray burn options, there is a “video format” drop down, which at this point contains only one option: Sony AVC/MVC (*.mp4; *.m2ts; *.acv). There is a “video template” drop down with three options, and I have selected: MVC 1920×1080-24p, 25Mbps video stream.

(My video is 2 streams, 23.976fps, 1920×1080 progressive YUV Mbps Pixel Aspect Ratio: 1.000.)

When I tried this process using 10.0c, Vegas was able to render a file, then immediately burn it to a disc. However, with 10.0e (and I’m assuming 10.0d), Vegas will only write a 3D file and can not burn directly to the disc. The guy at Sony explained it to me that burning 3D to a blu-ray disc requires a vast amount of copyrights and abiding by all sorts of rules, etc. that was very complicated and I’m assuming costs them a lot of money to include the capability. So, for this reason, sony vegas will not allow you to burn a 3D file to blu-ray. For this, you will need a secondary program, which I will get back to in a moment.

So, what this meant for the “burn disc” dialogue box, is that there was no actual “burn to disc” option to select at the top (as with writing any other file to dvd or blu-ray form the program), only “Render Image Only” which will automatically be set if you have your stereo imagery set up properly in your project. Ultimately, once I have all these settings as I’ve described them here, Vegas writes an .ISO file. If you’re not familiar, this is a type of image file that is capable of containing two streams of information, one identified as a base stream, the other as dependent. And this dependence is designated by the encoding of the MVC format.

Once I rendered the .ISO file, I was able to use NERO (which I believe is available as a free download, at least for trial use) to burn it to a Blu-ray disc.

I handed it off to one of my co-workers who has a compatible set-up at home and it worked. (Oppo blu-ray player, 1.4hdmi cable, samsung LED tv) It played in 3D at full res. The only issue that came up thus far, was that there is significant amount of ghosting of the images when viewed on his set-up. I am waiting for him to try it out on a few other set-ups at the local Best Buy to see if that makes a difference (possibly from the refresh rate of the television).

As far as Authoring (creating menu’s, navigation for multiple clips/videos) and higher production level encoding, I haven’t delved into it. And as described earlier in this thread, everything I’ve seen has been pretty expensive. The only “cheaper” option, for encoding, was Do Studio’s “Net Blender,” which was still around $6,000us.

Please let me know if anyone has tried similar set ups, has any questions about what I’ve done, or has seen any similar results.

Cheers.

[Matt Mcgovern]

So, are you looking for a way to put the images/video you capture on your Fuji W3 onto a blu-ray?

[Jay Patel]

I have purchased Sony HDR-TD10 few weeks ago and taken 30 mins of video in 3d. I have Sony Vegas Pro 10c and able to create .ISO file as you have described.

Question:

Do I have to use Sterosonic 3 setup to create .iso file?

I have sony 1080P 55 LCD TV, Panasonic Blu ray 3D player and LG blu ray burner on my PC.

I am very much interested following your path to create movie.

Thanks

Jay

[Matt Mcgovern]

The first thing you’ll definitely need to do is upgrade from Vegas 10.0c to Vegas 10.0e. This was the first problem I had; I didn’t know that the ability to write a properly encoded 3D file is not built in to 10.0c. In any of the versions, you can certainly edit in 3D, and view your output in 3D. But you have to have 10.0e (or, I believe, 10.0d) in order to write with the MVC encoded format. (MVC being the encoding that processes 2 streams into the .iso file)

You’ll have to clarify on “stereosonic 3 setup.” If you are referring to setting your timeline and footage for stereoscopic 3D, then yes. And if so, there are a few spots you have to adjust the preferences.

It sounds like you may have adequate equipment. But you have to find out if your tv is 3D ready and capable of connecting with a 1.4 HDMI cable. Obviously, your player and burner should be fine.

[Jay Patel]

Thanks for reply.

Finally, I purchased the sony vegas platinum suite 11 v 11 for quick video editing and rendering. Created a short DVD and look great with redcyan glasses on my Sony TV.

I have Dell c7, 6 GB Ram and 1 TB hard drive, but during editing the video does not run smooth. Runs choppy/crappy.

Any special setup to run or preview the video smooth?

Thanks

[Jay Patel]

Matt,

The Sony Vegas platinum suite 11 v 11 has side by side full setup to render the file and create .iso file.

If I render the movie with this setup and burn with Divx, do you think, I can watch the movie thru 3D blue ray player using the shutter glasses? I have created DVD with redcyan setup and able to watch it in 3d with redcyan glasses.

But I am more interested using side by side full and watch with shutter glasses.

Any comment or suggestions will be highly appreciated.

Thanks

Jay

[Matt Mcgovern]

I believe that as long as you use the proper (MVC) format to create that .iso file, you should be good with the active shutter glasses.

[Etienne Sandré-chardonnal]

Hello,

I recently purchased Vegas Pro 10.0e for the purpose of making preview 3D blurays, with a single track of 3D HD content and no menus.

I cannot manage to make it work. I use the “Burn to Blu-Ray” tool to export an ISO of my project, burn it on a BD-R media, and watch it on a panasonic 3D BD player plugged on a 3D Panasonic plasma, and the content is not detected as 3D. The system plays successfully the hubble 3D bluray.

My project is set up as 1920×1080@24p using the standard templates. The stereoscopic mode is side-by-side, full width. I can successfully render to MP4s and display them on a PC with a nvidia compatible 3d display and the nvidia stereo player.

When it comes to blu-ray exporting in Vegas, the authoring tool estimates the ISO size to 705Mb, but generates an ISO of 475Mb. Strangely, if I set the project stereoscopic mode to OFF, then the estimate goes to 475Mb, and it generates a iso 475Mb large.

So it seems that the 3D exporting fails at some stage without warning. Do someone has any clue? I started to contact Sony support but they are not so good at solving my problem for the moment.

Thanks,

Etienne