$3000 machine can’t edit HD

[Joe Moya]

https://www.cineform.com

Neoscene

I just started to use it… and, for me… it is a bit flakey at times… perhaps it is because I haven’t mastered how use this codec… but, then I think… why should a codec be difficult to handle for goodness sake.

At any rate, I have limited success (so far) using Cineform… but, others report good results. But, on that note… it does SIGNIFICANTLY speed up editing and compositing… but, you better have huge hard drive space available.

[Jake Mannion]

what were you using before, Joe?

I’m converting all my H.264 .mov stuff over to P2 DVCPROHD now. Looks like filesize is going up by a factor of 4. I can live with that!

I also did a test 1080p clip and brought it into Premiere. Smooooooth as butter! Thanks everyone for all the help.

[Joe Moya]

Before converting video source using Cineform… I didn’t use Prem Pro to Edit… that pretty much solves almost every problem I have when editing… basically, if I don’t use Prem Pro as my primary editing application… I don’t have many problems editing.

I prefer to use Avid Liquid… simple, powerful and (for the price) offers a lot (…years ahead of it’s time in it’s capabilities). But… more importantly, it is WAAAAY more stable than Prem Pro.

Unfortunately, Liquid is End Of Line software that is (supposedly) to be replaced very soon with a NexGen version to be put out by AVID. In fact, as of a few days ago… Avid took it off the Pinnacle/Avid site as an option to buy. Which could mean they are about to announce that NexGen version of Liquid.

Or, it could be that AVID bought it out a few years ago to simply kill off an editing software that could have easily put AVID out of business in the prosumer category… as a result, no NexGen will be brought to the market. Personally, I think they will repackage the Liquid to fit more into the AVID line but jack up the price and water down Liquid’s capacity to do things better than Avids MC. As it stands, Liquid is a product that competes against AVID’s own professional level editing software but a price at about 1/3 the cost. (Note: AVID bought out Pinnacle Liquid and Studio a few years agos)

I am only using Prem Pro because I find it to be a plan “B” if Liquid is not replaced. Once you experience more stable editing software like Avid MC,Avid Liquid or Vega (and some say Edius as well). You suddenly realize what you are dealing with when it comes to Adobe editing software. That being said, I think Adobe will spend more time trying to produce a better NLE and will (hopefully) catch up to other NLE’s (specially in terms of stability and multi video format acceptance and use). In fact, you just experience the instability I noted. And… to fix it you have to spend $125 to fix it in a very effective way… while with a 3 yrs. old Avid Liquid you could just drop most common HD formats into the the Liquid time line and work natively (i.e., with absolutely no re-rendering). BTW, AVCHD is not common – yet.

Now… I did experiment for some time trying to figure how to use m2t type videos formats with Prem Pro… and, I was partially successful… but, it such a convoluted method that only works sometimes makes it not worth even attempting and easier to just use cineform’s neoscene. (BTW, you can probably do a search of this site and find a detail explaination of how I achieved this conversion of m2t files with Prem Pro… but, I wouldn’t recommend it because it is not that effective). The key reason I use Adobe applications is for Photoshop and After Effects… and, Audition is pretty useful…. Prem. Pro just comes with the Production Studio package.

[Paul Benson]

Sorry, but I have to provide some ‘insider’ knowledge on the flash memory market. As they continue to shrink the memory cells, they become more and more prone to fail. What you are using now is likely, at the gate level, to be more error prone than what you used two years ago.
The way around it is that they provide better error detection and correction and extra memory cells to replace ones that are determined to be bad. With the cells being smaller, they can have extra backup cells.
Reading some of the literature, it is almost scary at how much they have to do to keep some semblance of data coherency.

Pauley

[Steve Martin]

H.264 is not an editing codec, you need to convert it to something else. I convert to ProRes and my laptop will then happily edit my 5DMkII footage.
Hope this helps.

[Bob Dix]

Yes, H264 is not happy in Premiere Pro, try rendering all the clips on the timeline, it takes a while, but, it works and editing is a breeze ,well smooth from a Canon EOS 5D mark II mov. clips in high def 1920 x 1080p and we need to change the Speed/Duration to suit PAL land at 25fps, cannot wait for the Firmware Update this month from Canon ? And we use only a Pentium 4 3.2Ghz Multi Processor in a Dell Series 8400 PC .

Do the obvious, defragment often, check the Drives for faults, close down any Security Program, do not save timeline with in Premiere Pro at any time automatically, click it off.

Freelance Imaging & Video
AUSTRALIA

[Jake Mannion]

yeah thanks Bob. I ended up converting all the clips to P2 format and now it runs like a champ.

what firmware update is coming for the mark II? I hope they put one out for the T1+2i as that’s what we primarily use here.

also, good tip on the auto-save. thanks

[Bob Dix]

https://www.canon.com.au/en-AU/Support-Services/Support-News/EOS-5D-Mark-II-firmware

This is the Firmware to update the PAL video speeds of 25 fps & 24 fpsp

It is out now. Check above address

Freelance Imaging & Video
AUSTRALIA