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[Keith Koby]

shoot! 10.7.5 is required! I can’t update until the mdc’s are updated (tomorrow night).

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[Steve Connor]

Got it!

Steve Connor
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[Walter Soyka]

[Jeremy Garchow] “Oh, the PIOPs, the PIOPs. And Philip hates them!”

Yes, but I am very happy! I am looking forward to trying it out to see how they’ve resolved the “I’m a clip, no, I’m a range” dichotomy in the UI.

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[Sandeep Sajeev]

Great to see native r3d support and dual viewers.
Not sure what the issue was with the old method of creating freeze frames.
Selective copy paste is great.

Looks like Roles hasn’t been expanded upon in this release.

Will have to wait for a couple of weeks to download this update, but it seems more hit than miss. Not sure what Hodgetts issue is with the PIOP’s, has something been lost re keywording or favourite tagging to make this happen?

[Walter Soyka]

[Sandeep Sajeev] “Not sure what Hodgetts issue is with the PIOP’s, has something been lost re keywording or favourite tagging to make this happen?”

My sense from his post was that he had gotten used to not having them, and was now getting burned by forgetting to clear them. Kind of the inverse problem that everyone else has where they used to forget to favorite ranges and got burned clicking away.

That said, despite our differences on this topic, I do respect his opinion and I’m curious to see for myself if it is in fact a step backwards in the real world.

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[Bill Davis]

[Steve Connor] “[David Lawrence] “PIOPS! Yay!!!”

We can finally put that particular debate to bed

Steve Connor”

Not so sure about the Yay!!! part.

Phil Hodgetts said that in his beta testing, it was the thing that he disliked most…

QUOTING FROM HIS REVIEW (at https://www.philiphodgetts.com)
Persistent In and Out Points
You got them. And it’s a good implementation, allowing multiple ranges to be created in a clip. I am not a fan, and wish it were an option. Over the last two months I’ve added keywords to “ranges” I didn’t intent to have because the In and Out were held from the last playback or edit I made. Not what I want. So I have to select the whole clips again, and reapply the Keyword. It gets old after the twentieth time.

It gets in my way more than it helps, which is rather as I expected. Selection is by mouse click (mostly – there is limited keyboard support) so this gets every bit as confusing as I anticipated.

Your last range selection is maintained. To add additional range selections (persistent) hold down the Command key and drag out a selection. (There are keyboard equivalents for setting a new range during playback.) You can select multiple ranges and add them to a Project together. (I’m not sure about the use case, but it’s available.)

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[Bill Davis]

This is a prediction, but I think in the end, these small but significant issues have everything to do with editor adaptability.

Phil is a developer who’s been editing for a long time – just as I’m a producer who’s been editing for a long time. Neither of us sit in an edit bay all day, every day, cutting stuff. So I appreciate how these little things make a much bigger difference for the “editing as trench warfare” folk then they do for the occasional or even “often” editor.

If you live and breath on muscle memory and productivity – having what you expect in PIOP will be a big deal.

For others of us, we were fine without it, and we’ll be equally fine with it.

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[Sandeep Sajeev]

Reading his post again he says

Over the last two months I’ve added keywords to “ranges” I didn’t intent to have because the In and Out were held from the last playback or edit I made. Not what I want. So I have to select the whole clips again, and reapply the Keyword. It gets old after the twentieth time.

So I think you’re right Walter.

Something else that strikes me from his post is that the Dual Viewer implementation doesn’t seem to show source time code in the viewer.

[Jeremy Garchow]

It looks like that the ranges that are held are limiting the range if he wants to tag a clip (not a range) with a keyword.

So he has to unrange, select the whole clip, tag the keyword on the whole clip, and then rerange a selection.

While the rest of this forum will probably disagree, I see what he’s saying. It breaks the explicit range based tagging that some of us got used to and actually liked. This now creates a level of obfuscation.

Can’t wait to check it out, though.

[Steve Connor]

I just created 3 x 3 minute compound clips, dropped them on the timeline bladed them about 100 times with NO increase in project size at all (I think!)

I now have 400 edits from these clips on the timeline with ZERO change in performance as well

Steve Connor
‘It’s just my opinion, with an occasional fact thrown in for good measure”