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Multicam Editing – Vegas 9
Hi,
I film a lot of multicam shoots for schools and local groups and I have used Premiere Pro CS3 successfully for a few years. However, I would like to have a go with Sony Vegas 9 as it handles footage from my sony hd camera (avchd) much better.
My question is when I synchronise the clips together in the original timeline, can I get back to that after I have created a multicam track. I have tried looking around vegas and also some places online but I cannot find this anywhere. Is it possible?
In Premiere as the source and multicam are separate sequences it is very easy to tweak a source file if it is slightly out of sync or needs changing.
Many thanks for any help
Regards
Jeremy -
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I think I understand your question. When you enable multicam, all of your selected tracks are copied to a single track with each cam as a “take”. Do you want to expand the master track back to individual tracks? I can’t think of a reason why I would want to do this (am I missing something), but you could copy the master track for each of the cameras, select all events on the track, then scroll through the takes until you get the one for the camera that the track represents.
Does that answer the question?
Steve Mann
MannMade Digital Video
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I understand your problem – it was one of my peeves with the Vegas method, if using the inbuilt tools. As was suggested, just duplicate the tracks BEFORE enabling multicam, then you can go back to the duplicates
if you use UltimateS or Excalibur, you can avoid this problem, since the master track is a composite of copies – tweaking is therefore very easy.
Only issue would be having to pay for the plugins. You can try the trial versions to give them a test run
how many cameras do you normally use?
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Thanks for your help!
What I was getting at was whether I could go back to editing the original timeline with the source files laid out. In premiere as it is a separate sequence you can always easily go back and tweak them if one isn’t quite in sync for example. What would annoy me is if I had multicam editing an entire show and realised one camera was very slightly out and I couldn’t go back and edit it.
I usually use 4 cameras on a shoot although I have sometimes used a couple more on big shows. I have been happy with premiere but I was looking more into vegas as one of my cameras is a sony sr12 which shoots in avchd. I haven’t been able to find the best way to edit this with my normal dv footage from the other cameras, hence wanting to look at Vegas, a sony product!
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Hi,
I know exactly what you mean, and I have had those issues before, You sync up various cameras, but there may be a drift in audio along a show of an hour or more in length.
First of all, there is no other editing program that will let you mix such an array of source footage for multicam editing so you will be pleasantly surprised with vegas, It incorporates AVCHD like no other. I regularly shoot with 2 HDV cameras, 2 DV cameras and one AVCHD. these can all be multicam edited without conversion. No Problem.
First of all follow the advise in the other replies and line up everything in sync. select and Duplicate all video tracks, The duplicates will already be automatically selected after this step so you can go straight to creating a multicam track. Move this new multitrack to the top layer and you will always have the source footage underneath.
If a camera happens to be out of synch and you only notice this later on in the edit there is a very easy fix.
If you resync the original file underneath the multi track by moving it a frame right or left, any cuts to that camera in the multitrack will show up as out of sync. (Pink)
here’s the quickest fix and I’ve never come across a simpler solution in any NLE. good work sony.
Select the original event you have just resynced, right click, select events in project media, then right click the event in project media, select events in the timeline, this will select all the clips in the multicam track from that camera. right click any one of them in the multicam track and choose synchronize by slipping.
That should do it.
You can just do the select events on timeline trick and zoom in well, alt click in any one clip and slip it left or right to resync without going near the source clips underneath. this will slip all clips from that camera in the multi.
I hope this is what you are asking about, as this sort of audio drift thing happens to me quite a bit. HDV and AVCHD dont record frame accurate audio so this technique helps me out everytime.
Good luck
Dave
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I regularly edit with 4 cams with a mix of HDV, AVCHD,DV and imported audio. Vasst Ultimate s 4.1 will do what you want, letting you see all tracks and manipulate them.
My only beef with Ultimate S is that if you decide to move your timeline, or want to insert extra footage, none of the cam sync points can be globally selected to move the lot. If you have 200 switches between 4 cams, be prepared for a lot of Ctrl-clicking before you drag!
I tend to edit linearly, planning ahead what I want to do on the timeline to avoid this!
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What I was getting at was whether I could go back to editing the original timeline with the source files laid out. In premiere as it is a separate sequence you can always easily go back and tweak them if one isn’t quite in sync for example. What would annoy me is if I had multicam editing an entire show and realised one camera was very slightly out and I couldn’t go back and edit it.
which is exactly what US & Excalibur allow you to do
🙂
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My only beef with Ultimate S is that if you decide to move your timeline, or want to insert extra footage, none of the cam sync points can be globally selected to move the lot. If you have 200 switches between 4 cams, be prepared for a lot of Ctrl-clicking before you drag!
no problem at all. for the longest time, it’s been possible to select multiple markers (of any kind) and move them en masse
🙂
1) select the marker either at the end or the beginning of those that you wish to move
2) select the MARKER TOOL on the right hand side of your timeline, above the UP scroll arrow
3) hold SHIFT down and click on the last marker you wish to move
4) move them
5) say ‘ta daaaa!’
you can see a few selected on my timeline
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> My only beef with Ultimate S is that if you decide to move your timeline, or want to insert extra footage, none of the cam sync points can be globally selected to move the lot. If you have 200 switches between 4 cams, be prepared for a lot of Ctrl-clicking before you drag!
Have you ever used Ripple Edit with the Affected Track, Bus Tracks, Markers, and Regions option? This will move your camera markers with your events.
See if that helps.
~jr
http://www.johnrofrano.com
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Wow thanks! I did not spot that in the doco! I wish I had known that 3 weddings ago 🙂
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