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Panasonic vs Sony Vegas
Hey guys,
Sorry to put this up again. But is there realy no workaround this problem?(theres a copy of the previous post with Douglas beneath) There’s just not enough time for me to learn working with other editing software but Vegas (and I like it a lot!!).
Still hoping for a solution. Thank you.
DavidVegas and 25pn
by David Vanderveken on Sep 8, 2008 at 11:36:13 amHello everybody,
I use a AG-HVX201 camera (European version). Just came from the HVX
Creative Cow forum (for some assistance on the camera)but I think that for this question I need to be here.I want to shoot a clip in 720/25PN (=24PN)
Is the latest version of Vegas Pro 8 capable of working with 720/25pN with or without the Raylight plugin?Thanks for the help!
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Re: Vegas and 25pn
by Douglas Spotted Eagle on Sep 8, 2008 at 12:37:21 pmNo, it will not. It’s probably safe to say that Vegas will never support DVCProHD; Panasonic will not allow Sony to purchase their SDK. Search this community for more information.
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Re: Vegas and 25pn
by David Vanderveken on Sep 8, 2008 at 8:47:47 pmThank you Douglas. Well I guess I have to look for another editing program then. Such a shame…
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You should be going to Panasonic and asking them why they refuse to let Sony develop software for their camera. Then you should strongly consider why you would want to purchase a camera from a company that picks and chooses who THEY want to allow to develop software instead of giving YOU the choice. Then you should buy a Sony camera. 😉 But that’s just my opinion against proprietary companies who think they know better than me and forget that I am the customer and I vote with my wallet! (and you should too… just my personal opinion)
To answer your question: You need to find a utility that will capture what your camera has recorded and convert it into a non-proprietary format that can be edited by Vegas. I don’t know if Cineform Neo HDV can do this but something along those lines to convert all of your footage into an intermediary that can be edited by Vegas. Good luck. It stinks when manufacturers can’t play nice together.
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As previously mentioned, you can use Raylight, which is a painless method of using DVCProHD in Vegas. If you’re desperate enough to use that camera and really want to use Vegas, then a small investment in a great tool like Raylight is warranted.
Please don’t copy threads and paste them all into a new one? Aside from eating bandwidth, it also becomes very confusing to follow. Much easier if you bump the old thread.
Please note that Vegas works well with footage from just about every other camera manufacturer there is other than the Panasonic proprietary formats.Douglas Spotted Eagle
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A Workaround was clearly outlined to you Davd.
You just simply need to purchase Raylight as Douglas suggested twice.
It integrates well with Vegas and will make things easier,cost
195 bucks….I know of no other solution along the line of solution you are looking for :https://dvfilm.com/raylight/index.htmSteve Rhoden
Creative Director
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[John Rofrano] “You should be going to Panasonic and asking them why they refuse to let Sony develop software for their camera. Then you should strongly consider why you would want to purchase a camera from a company that picks and chooses who THEY want to allow to develop software instead of giving YOU the choice.”
John, This makes it sound so simple. However if you were in a position of knowing the reality of the situation you would know that it is not just a Panasonic refusal. It is a two-way street. NDAs would have to be signed on both sides and the likelihood of that happening at a Japan level is pretty remote. So the Raylight happens to be the cool and working alternative for those folks that wish to work in Vegas and DVCPRO HD.
Hope this helps,
Jan
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> However if you were in a position of knowing the reality of the situation you would know that it is not just a Panasonic refusal. It is a two-way street. NDAs would have to be signed on both sides and the likelihood of that happening at a Japan level is pretty remote.
Jan, Thank you for that insight. As a software developer myself, and a patent holder, I can imagine that there is intellectual property involved and if you feel that the way your codec works gives you a competitive advantage, then you would not want your competitor to have this information. I would also imagine that not all of this involves patents but rather “trade secrets” which is why NDA’s would be needed.
That’s sad because in the end, it’s the consumer that looses.
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[John Rofrano] “ank you for that insight. As a software developer myself, and a patent holder, I can imagine that there is intellectual property involved and if you feel that the way your codec works gives you a competitive advantage, then you would not want your competitor to have this information. I would also imagine that not all of this involves patents but rather “trade secrets” which is why NDA’s would be needed.”
John, It is a TWO-WAY street. There are things that we would need to know and there are things that they would need to know and neither would be willing to share that. The compromise is Raylight.
Thanks,
Jan
Jan Crittenden Livingston
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Wow! I’m sorry guys. I was not aware of the Sony-Panasonic mini-war.
Jr. has a point but so does Jan I think. I’m shure it’s a 2-way street, it always is. But the consumer is (as always) the victim.
If I had known this I would have never bought this cam. Sorry, Vegas is THAT dear to me.Also To Douglas I apologize, I misunderstood his words I guess. My question was “Is it possible to to work with 25pN in Vegas WITH or WITHOUT Raylight” and the answer was “No, it will not”. So I thought it was impossible, even with Raylight. Ofcourse I will buy Raylight if that does the job. But then I’ll need to be shure it works with 720p/25pN. I’ll go and take a look.
Also sorry for the copy of the previous mail in this tread. To be honest, I did not know how else to do it. I’m not used to be on forums other than this one.
Realy, thanks to everybody for the response and advice and let’s hope
that Sony and Panasonic will understand someday that without customers they’re nothing! So why not share a litle? -
David,
No need to worry…..Raylight is assured to work and fit your needs.
Though the day when Sony and Panasonic to agree on these things will never come………….Steve Rhoden
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I’d probably go straight to the horse’s mouth and ask the Raylight folks if it works with your particular footage. Otherwise, I think you can download Raylight as a demo, no?
Many, many folks use the Panasonic DVCPro-HD cameras. The latest and greatest HDX900 has evidently been flying off the shelves as people try to make sure they get the last of the tape-based units. Or so I hear.
Raylight solves some issues for Vegas but capturing from the tape based cameras is still an issue. Some people go to the AJA or BMD cards to make this work over SDI. Ideally, it’d be good to see Panasonic provide a standalone capture tool to get media off of decks over 1394.
Rob Mack
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I just loaded SONY Vegas Pro 8.0 on a PC laptop. The laptop has an ExpressCard port and I intend to use a Dual Adapter to take P2 cards (I will use 32 GB P2’s) and transfer the media using this PCMCIA adapter in the ExpressCard slot.
I have never used Vegas before. I have used FCP and Avid on the Mac platforms. I recently purchased a Panasonic HPX170 which is a tapeless camera. Everything is recorded on P2 cards.
Here’s another conundrum: the laptop uses Vista Home Premium 64 bit. I have successfully installed Vegas Pro 8 and Acid Pro on this laptop. I have been reading this thread and it appears that there are compatibility problems with DVCPro media and Vegas? If I am understanding this correctly, you can get around this with a Raylight plug-in? Is this true?
Am I going to have problems working in the 64 bit environment? Should I reload everything in a Vista 32 bit partition?
I haven’t been able to test the above mentioned hardware workflow because of some issues with the PCMCIA adapter driver and chipset drivers on the laptop that will require me to send the laptop into the manufacturer for repair. I’m making this inquiry because I would rather not be running into a brick wall when the laptop is returned, but have an understanding of what I must do to get this stuff to work.
Thanks in advance for your guidance.
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