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  • Defaulting to a stereo mix plus subwoofer

    Posted by Rick Peters on September 13, 2010 at 3:20 pm

    Please forgive the elementary question here …

    I have an HD video shot of a rock band, with a terrific stereo WAV remix, that I am burning to SD discs. I have synced up the remix and output as a QT movie (huge file). I ran it through Compressor to get it down to 720X480, and am reasonably satisfied with the video portion. Audio, not so much.

    I would like it as a default to play back in a true stereo mix, with the subwoofer active, on whatever system it happens to be played on.

    To accomplish that, I set Compressor to do the following, but while I achieved the goal of a Dolby Digital stereo mix, with subwoofer active, I also got a file with pretty severe compression and breathing, even though compression is set to “none” inside of Compressor. Can anyone suggest a fix? (The audio on the raw QT files sounds perfect, it’s previewing within DVD Studio Pro where I noticed the compression.)

    Description: 2.0 Dolby Digital audio at 192kbps
    File Extension: ac3
    Estimated file size: 192.26 MB/hour of source
    Audio Encoder
    Format: AC3
    Sample Rate: 48.000kHz
    Channels: 6
    Bits Per Sample: 16
    Target System: DVD Video
    Data Rate: 448 kbps
    Compression Preset: None
    Audio Coding Mode: 3/2 (L, C, R, Ls, Rs)
    BitStream Mode: Complete Main
    Center Mix Level: -3dB
    Surround Mix Level: -3dB
    Dolby Surround Mode: None
    LFE Exists: Yes
    Dialog Normalization: -31 dbFS
    Copyright Exists: Yes
    Original Content: Yes
    Audio Production Information Exists: No
    RF Overmodulation Protection: Off
    Channel Bandwidth Lowpass Filter: Off
    DC Highpass Filter: Off
    LFE Channel Lowpass Filter: On
    3dB Attenuation: Off
    phase 90: Off
    Deemphasis: Off
    Dynamic Range
    Soften Above: -30.300
    Noise Threshold: -100.000
    Master Gain: 0.000

    Mark Spano replied 15 years, 11 months ago 2 Members · 1 Reply
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  • Mark Spano

    September 17, 2010 at 10:45 pm

    OK, so you have a stereo mix source file – why are you compressing to AC3 in 5.1? That seems like it might at least be a potential cause of your problem. Tell Compressor you want a Stereo AC3 file, highest bit rate it will allow. Then, also go into your preset in Compressor and under the Filters tab, sub tab Audio, uncheck anything that’s checked. I say this because it seems you might have a limiter engaged there judging by this info above:

    “Dynamic Range
    Soften Above: -30.300
    Noise Threshold: -100.000
    Master Gain: 0.000”

    With this setting, keeping as you have set dialog normalization to -31, you won’t get most of the other things to choose as options (and this is good). No 5.1 stuff, no LFE, nothing else. You should get an AC3 that is a pretty close to perfect representation of the stereo mix you started with.

    Now about this:

    “I would like it as a default to play back in a true stereo mix, with the subwoofer active, on whatever system it happens to be played on.”

    Well, you have *no* control over how the sub is set up on anyone’s system if you have a stereo mix. Some people have their bass management set up to automatically engage the sub and pass frequencies from the stereo mix that are below 120 Hz to it. Some just don’t. You can’t control it at all. If you want to have slightly more control, you will have to remix it to 2.1 (L, R, Sub). That’s a pain, and probably not worth the effort, since even then, you still don’t have control over how someone’s playback system will interpret 2.1 signals.

    You have to just go with the best thing you can make. A stereo mix, properly encoded. Using the above tweaks to your preset should make this happen.

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