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  • Moire upscaling issue on output to 1920

    Posted by Doug Stephenson on August 2, 2009 at 4:09 am

    Hello,

    I’m new to FCP and to this forum, but wanted to say how fantastic it is to have such a high quality resource available for beginners.

    My question concerns outputting HDV PAL footage to a DVD. When outputting as a quicktime movie, there is significant moire flaring, as the video subject wears a vertical striped black and white shirt. This kind of ‘pulses’ with any slight body movement, which is very distracting. My question is how is it best to minimize this?

    The footage was captured using a Sony HVR-Z1 at 1440×1080, which as I understand is a full vertical but compressed horizontal version of full HD. I’m guessing the horizontal upscaling to 1920 width is causing this flaring, as the footage in the FCP canvas looks fine.

    Is there a way to dampen or filter this moire flaring, with output to 1920, or is there a way to output the footage at 1440 resolution and avoid the upscaling issue (and I’m presuming the flaring)?

    Other production details I’ve used are below:
    Export from FCP: File, Export as Quicktime (current settings, non self contained movie)
    Compressor: HD DVD H.264 60 minutes, QT format, 10.3 Mbps

    Name: H.264 10.3Mbps
    Description: For HD DVD. Fits up to 60 minutes of video with Dolby Digital audio at 192 Kbps on a DVD-5
    File Extension: mov
    Estimated file size: 4.94 GB/hour of source
    DVD type: HD DVD
    Partial sync: 0.5 seconds
    Frame sync rate: 2 seconds
    Field dominance: Progressive
    Video Encoder
    Format: QT
    Width and Height: Automatic
    Pixel aspect ratio: Default
    Crop: None
    Padding: None
    Frame rate: (100% of source)
    Frame Controls: Automatically selected: Off
    Codec Type: H.264
    Multi-pass: On, frame reorder: On
    Pixel depth: 32
    Spatial quality: 50
    Min. Spatial quality: 50
    Key frame interval: 48
    Temporal quality: 50
    Min. temporal quality: 50
    Average data rate: 10.25 (Mbps)
    Maximum data rate: 23 (Mbps)
    Audio Encoder
    16-bit Integer (Big Endian), Stereo (L R), 48.000 kHz

    thank you,

    Doug

    Michael O’hare replied 16 years, 9 months ago 3 Members · 3 Replies
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  • John Fishback

    August 2, 2009 at 7:15 pm

    I think you’re stuck with this effect. It’s why professionals never wear clothes with tight patterns on-camera. You can try applying blur to decrease the moire. You can use Color, create a user shape, apply blur to it, and track it, so the blur only affects the shirt and not the rest of the frame. Maybe someone else has a trick that would help. I don’t think the thin raster of HDV contributes much to the problem. It’s the pattern on the shirt.

    John

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  • Doug Stephenson

    August 3, 2009 at 9:35 am

    Ok, thanks for the advice John – I’ll give that a go.

    cheers
    Doug

  • Michael O’hare

    August 21, 2009 at 2:32 am

    I had a serious Moire problem with my Canon HFS10 in full HD 30P mode on my jeans and guitar strings. I added a gaussian blur filter in Final Cut Express 4.0 and, bingo, the jeans moire fully disappeared and the moire on my guitar strings was mitigated substantially! I will add Neat Video filter to sharpen the video and should be in good shape.

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