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Newbie to 24 (23.98) fps needs help
This has probably been asnwered a dozen times a day, but I looked and couldn’t find it:
I am a FCP veteran, but am shooting my first 24fps program for a client. I want to shoot in 24fps with a final master on DVD for broadcast television. I am using the amazing Panasonic HVX200 camera, which allows every conceivable frame rate variation, and shooting on P2 cards.
So the bottom line question is this:
Do I shoot and edit in 24n fps (native), or 24fps pulldown or 23.98? Or do I record in 24 and edit in 30?
It’s all so confusing to me.
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[RobLichter] “I want to shoot in 24fps with a final master on DVD for broadcast television.”
Broadcast television doesn’t air 24fps. That is a film format. DVD for broadcast? Is this cable access? Do you know that broadcast TV doesn’t air 24fps? 29.97 for standard def, which is what any station airing DVDs will be airing.
24fps is a film format…and fine for DVDs that you sell. But broadcast TV is 29.97…even HD.
Shoot 30p or 60i.
Shane
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Yes, I am aware of broadcast’s frame rate, which is why I need help. If I shoot in 23.98 and edit in 23.98, how do I master it for broadcast? Do I need to convert it to 30? If I do that, will it smear the motion or make it jerky?
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[Rob Lichter] “If I shoot in 23.98 and edit in 23.98, how do I master it for broadcast?”
Don’t. Don’t shoot and edit 23.98 if you are going to broadcast. Really isn’t a point to it. 23.98 is a film and high end HD format. Unless you are delivering a 1080psf 23.98 master, then there is no reason to shoot and edit 23.98. It will just add steps to your workflow that you don’t need to add, and the more steps you add, the more open you are to errors and issues.
KISS – keep it simple stupid. Shoot and edit 29.97 if your delivery is 29.97. Don’t get all sucked up into the 23.98 craze that people get sucked into.
Heed this advice before I go all “Bob Zelin” on you (ie, be very rude and elite) – LOL
Shane
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I have heard others say that the whole “film-look” is the Emperor’s New Clothes, and adds nothing to the production. First of all, I disagree. Even hi-def 30fps looks like videotape, but “24”fps has a professional look to it, in my opinion. In either case, my client wants it 24fps, so this isn’t an aesthetic debate. All professional videocameras have the option to shoot in 24, and FCP certainly allows it, so if anyone has any advice on how to do this without it looking smeary (as I know it can be done), I’d appreciate it.
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I’m a newbue too so take this with a grain of salt, but if you are shooting and delivering in 24fps, FCP will allow you to capture 24fps and edit 24fps on the timeline. Compressor will compress 24fps HDV/DV to 24fps SD MPEG-2.
However, in my one experiment with authoring 24fps in DVD Studio Pro it seems to take in 24fps but flags the footage as 29.97. Whether DVDSP is actually adding the extra frames (3:2), or just flagging the MPEG stream for the DVD player to add them if needed (e.g. add the pulldown to the composite or svideo output but not the HDMI output), I haven’t been able to determine.
I have a thread from yesterday asking about this in the DVD Studio Pro forum but got conflicting answers, one guy says the DVD standard doesn’t support 24FPS and another guy says it does,…
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If you do shoot 23.98 for broadcast can you use this method of converting the timecode?
Take the 24 frame timecode, multiply the frames by 1.25, round off the fraction to the nearest frame. Now you essentially have NON-DROP frame timecode which you can then convert that to DROP-FRAME timecode with a timecode calculator?
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