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  • Question for Rafael

    Posted by Martin Jordan on July 5, 2011 at 8:06 pm

    Hey Rafael,

    My post and one of your comments is way down the list by now & I have a question about your last post which is here:
    https://forums.creativecow.net/readpost/8/1137224

    This is shot in AVC-Intra 50 and is transcoded in LT with the appropriate Preference setting of Apple ProRes 422 (HQ). But during this transcoding process it shows the readings I mentioned. So when you say this is plain DVCProHD: 1440 x 1080 I don’t know why you say this.

    The other question is why is it transcoding to a different size than my 5D footage?

    I’m uploading a QT Inspector screen capture here of both camera QT files so you can see exactly what I’m seeing. Would appreciate and explanation and or advice on what I need to do to get these the same size.

    https://www.alphaomegadesign.com/screen-shot.jpg

    Thank you

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    Rafael Amador replied 14 years, 10 months ago 2 Members · 3 Replies
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  • Rafael Amador

    July 5, 2011 at 10:06 pm

    Hi Martin,
    [Martin Jordan] “This is shot in AVC-Intra 50 and is transcoded in LT with the appropriate Preference setting of Apple ProRes 422 (HQ). But during this transcoding process it shows the readings I mentioned. So when you say this is plain DVCProHD: 1440 x 1080 I don’t know why you say this.”

    You are right, I thought you could be shooting DVCProHD instead of AVC-1.
    Anyway, the codec is very similar DVCProHD in “sizes” and “pixels aspect” ( but curiously worst in terms of chroma sampling: just 4.2.0)

    AVC-Intra 50:
    nominally 50 Mbit/s, size of each frame is fixed
    CABAC entropy coding only.
    1920×1080 formats are High 10 Intra Profile, Level 4
    1280×720 formats are High 10 Intra Profile, Level 3.2
    4:2:0 chrominance sampling
    frames are horizontally scaled by 3/4 (1920×1080 is scaled to 1440×1080. 1280×720 is scaled to 960×720)

    So the AVC-intra stuff is 1440×1080 HD Pixels and the Canon stuff is 1980×1080 Square pixels.

    Transcoding means CHANGING JUST THE CODEC, so with L&T you will be getting Prores clips with the original size: two different sizes and pixels for each footage.

    Nothing wrong. You just need to be aware of this.
    If you want to edit “Full Raster HD” (1920×1080 or 1280×720: which are the real HD standards), conform your sequence to any of the Canon clip.
    cheers,
    rafael

    http://www.nagavideo.com

  • Martin Jordan

    July 5, 2011 at 10:17 pm

    Thank you. You had me wondering and questioning myself.

    One more question…Would there be ANY benefit concerning this size issue by shooting AVC-100? Probably not but just wondering?

    Remember…all this video will ultimately be web only streaming.

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  • Rafael Amador

    July 6, 2011 at 1:01 am

    [Martin Jordan] “One more question…Would there be ANY benefit concerning this size issue by shooting AVC-100? Probably not but just wondering?”
    With AVC-100 you record always in real 16×9 with the same pixels you will be using for standard HDTV, web, BR, Mobile devices, etc. You just need to scale the clip.
    With the 1440×1080, beside scaling, you will need to distort the picture too.
    That’s is and advantage to consider if you want to scrap the most from your rushes.

    I would never shot AVCI-50 if I could shot AVC-100.
    I have no experience with AVCI-50, but up to the specs doesn’t looks much appealing (10b/420?)
    rafael

    http://www.nagavideo.com

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