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Apple ProRes Render/Export Problems???
I am working with 6mins 15seconds of Apple FCP Uncompressed 10-bit 4:2:2, 1920X1080 Timcode footage (46.5 GB) that is the result of a super16mm Telecine from Fotokem in Burbank, CA.
First thing I did was drag the original 46.5GB file into MPEG Streamclip where exported to Quicktime, Apple Pro Res (HQ), 1920X1080 (Unscaled), 100% quality, interlaced scaling. This created a 6.98 GB file that I then dragged into FCP. I did this because my computer couldn’t even handle the 10-bit file.
In FCP, I matched all the sequence settings to the Pro Res file, and then made one or two very small cuts. In FCP the motion in playback is brilliant and does justice to the 24fps 16mm analogue motion. —HOWEVER, when I attempt to export the edited sequence in FCP using Quicktime, self-contained, Apple Pro Res with all the exact same specs as the file I dragged in, the final product plays back with the frame rate jumping all over the place getting down to abut 18fps at times.
Is this a problem with the Apple Pro Res codec render, or the export? I even tried to export using Compressor going frame by frame and got the same results.
Should I edit with a different codec? I figured a 46gb Uncompressed file in FCP would not be a good idea.
Should I edit with the uncompressed file in FCP then export to something besides Pro Res, like straight to H.264?
I need practically flawless motion and the best quality possible for online 1080p (Vimeo). I am dividing the video up into two practically equal halfs and I need each of them to be under 5GB.
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any ideas would be most appreciated.
thanks folks.
grace&peace.
alec.
Alec E.
Macbook Pro 17″ / 2.16 GHz Intel Core Duo / 2GB 667Mhz DDR2 SDRAM / 300 GB HD 5000RPM / OSX 10.5.8
Editing with: FCP 6.0.6
Working off of a Firwire800 500GB Glyph HD (I believe it is 7200RPM)
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[Alec Eagon] “when I attempt to export the edited sequence in FCP using Quicktime, self-contained, Apple Pro Res with all the exact same specs as the file I dragged in, the final product plays back with the frame rate jumping all over the place getting down to abut 18fps at times. “
First, there was no reason to transcode to ProRes HQ, ProRes SQ would have been fine, that’s discussed here daily.
Second, you don’t say how you’re playing back your self contained file. In QT Player? In FCP? And, are you sure you exported to your external drive, not to the desktop?
David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los AngelesPOST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY ™
EPK Colorist – UP IN THE AIR – nominated for six academy awards
A forum host of Creative COW’s Apple Final Cut Pro, Business & Marketing, Indie Film & Documentary, and Film History & Appreciations forums.
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David thank you so much for getting back so promptly.
1. Ok will do. Just curious though, why is HQ unnecessary?
2. Playback is in QT, and I have the movie inspector open to watch the frame rate. / Yes positive that the file is on the Glyph External HD.
Should I just start editing the uncompressed 10bit or should I do what I did originally and export to Apple Pro Res HQ?
Thanks again,
Alec
Alec E.
Macbook Pro 17″ / 2.16 GHz Intel Core Duo / 2GB 667Mhz DDR2 SDRAM / 300 GB HD 5000RPM / OSX 10.5.8
Editing with: FCP 6.0.6
Working off of a Firwire800 500GB Glyph HD (I believe it is 7200RPM)
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QT playback isn’t lock solid. it plays back at the frame rate it can get away with. Since the file has a large data rate, it might be limited to 18fps. Reimport that clip into FCP and look at the RATE. I’ll wager it is right.
Shane
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awe….i just reimported the FCP exported Apple Pro Res HQ to FCP and watched it and it appears to be the same. thanks for the heads up on QT…. I was kinda wondering if that was the case.
should I create a new sequence with that file and render it Pro Res SQ and then try to export that?
I just need something that will have this motion on vimeo.
Thanks!!!
-Alec
Alec E.
Macbook Pro 17″ / 2.16 GHz Intel Core Duo / 2GB 667Mhz DDR2 SDRAM / 300 GB HD 5000RPM / OSX 10.5.8
Editing with: FCP 6.0.6
Working off of a Firwire800 500GB Glyph HD (I believe it is 7200RPM)
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[Shane Ross] “Reimport that clip into FCP and look at the RATE. I’ll wager it is right.
“Yep, that’s where I was headed.
David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los AngelesPOST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY ™
EPK Colorist – UP IN THE AIR – nominated for six academy awards
A forum host of Creative COW’s Apple Final Cut Pro, Business & Marketing, Indie Film & Documentary, and Film History & Appreciations forums.
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[Alec Eagon] “Just curious though, why is HQ unnecessary? “
1. Bigger file
2. Harder to playback off one firewire drive
3. No advantage that’s visible to the naked eye.[Alec Eagon]
“Playback is in QT, and I have the movie inspector open to watch the frame rate.”
Shane already nailed that one. QT player is just a convenience, but reliable for little else.
David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los AngelesPOST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY ™
EPK Colorist – UP IN THE AIR – nominated for six academy awards
A forum host of Creative COW’s Apple Final Cut Pro, Business & Marketing, Indie Film & Documentary, and Film History & Appreciations forums.
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David, Shane,
Thank you guys so much. I am totally newbee to Pro Res and 10-bit. This helps a ton.
I am currently rendering the PR HQ file in a SQ sequence, then I will export it.
If I am uploading to vimeo, should I just upload the SQ pro res file and let the website convert it to h264 or should I bring the SQ file back in and export it h264?
thanks again!
-alec
Alec E.
Macbook Pro 17″ / 2.16 GHz Intel Core Duo / 2GB 667Mhz DDR2 SDRAM / 300 GB HD 5000RPM / OSX 10.5.8
Editing with: FCP 6.0.6
Working off of a Firwire800 500GB Glyph HD (I believe it is 7200RPM)
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[Alec Eagon] “If I am uploading to vimeo, should I just upload the SQ pro res file and let the website convert it to h264 or should I bring the SQ file back in and export it h264? “
Don’t try to upload the master.
Upload an h264 with good data rate.
rafael -
Hi, after many attempts, a lot of research online and the last test, I solved the problem.
The only way to export a normal or Apple Pro Res 422 HQ version, is to export the project using Compressor. You will get the same quality of color, the same depth and the same contrast of the project.
In this case you can scream (quietly): BINGO!
Best cuts, Rafano
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