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  • Sony M25U analog outs dark…..Bob Z or someone have an idea?

    Posted by Chris Borjis on March 3, 2009 at 10:28 pm

    I have the Sony M25U HDV deck with composite and component outputs.

    both of them are outputting too dark.

    enough that a bars pluge is being crushed into black.

    I have verified it with my other DV deck which is not
    having this problem.

    I have set the output for both “Betacam” & “SMPTE” neither
    make a difference.

    I do own the service manual for this deck but not sure where to begin.

    does anyone here know how to adjust the color correction of this
    deck in the service menu so I can boost the blacks to proper level outputs?

    I realize I can take it in for service, but I’d like to just get
    it done here quickly if possible as it seems like a rather simple
    adjustment to be made (I’ve tweaked my PVM monitors in service mode for example)

    Chris Borjis replied 17 years, 6 months ago 4 Members · 5 Replies
  • 5 Replies
  • Dino

    March 3, 2009 at 11:05 pm

    Might be a menu option for setup on output. that is, analog output at 7.5 ire. I know some of these little Sony decks just offered the Japanese standard of black at 0 (DSR-40, DSR-20). Other decks offer an option through the menu. If your deck has no menu option, I would say it only offers analog black at 0.

    For a point of reference, see what options you have on your other deck, which is?

  • Bob Zelin

    March 4, 2009 at 12:24 am

    Dino is correct. Some Sony DV VTR’s have the ability to change the “setup level” from 0IRE to 7.5 IRE. I don’t know all the menu’s on the HVR-M25U, but without the manual, no one is going to be able to help you.

    Ultimately, without monitoring the signal on a waveform monitor, so see if your blacks are at 0 IRE or 7.5 IRE (or somewhere else !), it will be tough to say “it’s dark because of this and that”. That is why waveform monitors exist.

    Sorry I don’t have an easy answer for you.

    Bob Zelin

  • Chris Borjis

    March 4, 2009 at 12:32 am

    [Bob Zelin] “it will be tough to say “it’s dark because of this and that”. That is why waveform monitors exist.”

    I’ve confirmed the setup is out of whack (measured with scopes btw)

    when downconverting is turned on over component it gets even darker.

    the 0 and 7.5 setup is what I thought “SMPTE” and “BETA” levels mean.

    thanks for your input.

  • Jeremy Garchow

    March 4, 2009 at 3:18 am

    HD or SD? SD I assume if we are talking about setup.

    You can add setup with a Kona. Also check to see if you can change the component color space in the deck. Some accept both Beta compenent or SMPTE and you need to decide/match your output to those specs. Setup and color space are different things.

    Jeremy

  • Chris Borjis

    March 4, 2009 at 5:03 pm

    yeah there is clearly something that needs adjustment in the
    service menu. it’s so cryptic. I’ll probably just wait until
    my service guy can get it done in a day.

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