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  • What is happening with FCP 6.0.5?

    Posted by Aaron D hose on December 20, 2008 at 3:21 am

    Hi,
    Been trying to solve this fiasco all day…
    First, I have a sequence in FCP 6.0.5 set to:
    – 720×480/10-bit uncompressed/open timeline/29.97/no fields
    – render settings set to “render all material in high-precision YUV”
    – Sequence has resized footage from a DVCPRO HD 720p timeline (everything was automatically scaled down to 75% by FCP to fit the 720×480 timeline)

    Now, I also have a rendered composite (a lower third graphic) from AE:
    – 720×480/Animation codec/Straight Alpha channel
    – 29.97/no fields
    I laid the composite over a video clip in my FCP sequence, rendered, then exported a self-contained FCP movie, and dropped it into Quicktime player. For some ODD reason, the lower third looks aliased. I’ve been dropping alpha channeled animations from AE into FCP for quite some time now, and this has NEVER happened!

    Tried the same thing inside a much older version of FCP (5.0.4), and the results were different–exactly how they were before. The exported FCP self-contained movie gives me razor-sharp graphics!

    The only other option is if I lay the lower third over my video clip inside AE, then render it out as a 720×480/10-bit file. Once I drop that into my current FCP sequence, it doesn’t need rendering and looks fantastic. Thing is, I always color correct my video clips in FCP, not AE. So now I’ll have to color correct first, ‘then’ export for name supers, then reimport, etc. Gee, what a HASSLE!

    Question is WHY? Is there an AE/FCP alpha channel glitch with 6.0.5? I don’t remember having these problems from 6.0.4 downwards. Seemed to start only when I updated to 6.0.5.

    Hmmm.

    Jeremy Garchow replied 17 years, 1 month ago 8 Members · 26 Replies
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  • Jeremy Garchow

    December 20, 2008 at 3:55 am

    Make sure your imported lower third graphic is set to a field dominance of none in the browser, then add it back to your timeline and rerender.

    FCP is probably interpreting your imported graphic as lower field first.

    Jeremy

  • Don Greening

    December 20, 2008 at 5:09 am

    Any video or graphics media in a DV NTSC project defaults to lower field first when imported into the Browser whether the media is progressive or not. Drives me crazy. In the Browser go to the field order column for the graphics file and choose “none”. I’ll bet money that it’s set to lower.

    – Don

  • Aaron D hose

    December 20, 2008 at 5:20 am

    Tried that earlier, but I was actually trying it ‘after’ the super was on the timeline, meaning, I right-clicked and changed the item properties/format after the fact. Doing from within the browser made it work. Yes, this was VERY frustrating, especially since I render out from AE as “no field.” Well… you live and learn. Thanks guys!!!

    “Be the dream, NOT the dreamer!”

  • Rafael Amador

    December 20, 2008 at 5:51 am

    Hi Aaron,
    I think you are right.
    I just export a clip rendered in “High precision” and compared with the same rendered normal.
    The graphics of the one rendered in HP looks horrible.
    The lower-thirds (PNG) shows lot of junk around the letters.
    And the PNGs have NONE as the field order.
    What to do?
    Rafael

    http://www.nagavideo.com

  • Aaron D hose

    December 20, 2008 at 6:30 am

    Well, I created a different thread, and the solution I got is as follows:

    – When importing the render from AE into FCP, you must right-click inside the FCP Browser
    – Choose ITEM PROPERTIES>FORMAT
    – In FORMAT, set FIELD DOMINANCE to “None”
    – Drop it into the “720×480/10-bit/no fields” sequence

    This worked for me! Some people here on Creative Cow were experiencing the same thing. It drove everybody nuts. Apparently, Final Cut insists on interpreting a 720×480 quicktime file from AE as “lower field” dominant REGARDLESS of whether or not you actually rendered it with fields inside AE.

    Anyway, troubleshoot is FINALLY over!! 😉

    “Be the dream, NOT the dreamer!”

  • Rafael Amador

    December 20, 2008 at 7:42 am

    Right.
    When you work in a NONE sequence everything have to be NONE or need to be de-interlaced.
    I’m working in an Upper-first sequence and the PNGs are causing me problems unless I check them as Upper too.
    If I let them as NONE (as they really are because are just stills) they produce a kind of echo of the letters. Dirty.
    Rafael

    http://www.nagavideo.com

  • Tom Wolsky

    December 20, 2008 at 9:48 am

    Does this apply to all images, or just to images that match the frame size of your sequence, or images that are used at their native size, unscaled? I asked because I’ve not seen the problem, but then I usually pre-process the images in Photoshop, which might be changing what you get.

    All the best,

    Tom

    Class on Demand DVDs “Complete Training for FCP6,” “Basic Training for FCS2” and “Final Cut Express Made Easy”
    Author: “Final Cut Pro 5 Editing Essentials” and “Final Cut Express 4 Editing Workshop”

  • Rafael Amador

    December 20, 2008 at 11:04 am

    Hi Tom,
    It happens only to the graphics.
    The picture rendered in High Precision look much better. But the Lower-thirds look horrible.
    I have the original .psd file but are in Lao characters and I don’t dare to mess around with them.
    I will try to un-nest them.
    Cheers,
    Rafael

    http://www.nagavideo.com

  • Tom Wolsky

    December 20, 2008 at 11:23 am

    So this is text made in like Photoshop. Is the PSD file the same as the frame size, or a different size? This is HD I assume, 1920×1080, or something else?

    Thanks.

    All the best,

    Tom

    Class on Demand DVDs “Complete Training for FCP6,” “Basic Training for FCS2” and “Final Cut Express Made Easy”
    Author: “Final Cut Pro 5 Editing Essentials” and “Final Cut Express 4 Editing Workshop”

  • Walter Biscardi

    December 20, 2008 at 11:35 am

    [Aaron D Hose] “- 720×480/10-bit uncompressed/open timeline/29.97/no fields “

    You have a mismatch here.

    720×480 is a DV frame size and as such, you should be working in the DV or DV50 codec. This is a non-square pixel format

    Uncompressed 10bit is the codec for 720×486 which is a standard frame size for uncompressed Standard Definition.

    If you’re dropping 720p to Uncompressed Standard Def, you should be working in 720×486, not 480.

    Walter Biscardi, Jr.
    Biscardi Creative Media
    HD and SD Production for Broadcast and Independent Productions.

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