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  • Chroma Key That Fuzzy Hair!

    Posted by Kevin Jones on November 21, 2008 at 8:12 pm

    Hi,
    I’m trying to do some chroma key shot of a female subject with fuzzy hair using the tools available with FCP Studio 2.
    Could someone give me a few tips on how to deal with the hair?
    I’m pulling a good key everywhere except the curls of her hair.
    Any suggestion would be appreciated.
    Thanks.

    Kevin Jones

    Chris Borjis replied 17 years, 5 months ago 7 Members · 9 Replies
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  • David Bogie

    November 21, 2008 at 8:24 pm

    First question before we can offer much help: With what format have you shot your material?

    If you shot conventional DV, your options are slim and none.

    We see the topic of chromakeying often so you could spend a few hours cruising the forum archives using search.

    bogiesan

    This is my standard sigfile so do not take it personally: “For crying out loud, read the freakin’ manual.”

  • Phil Holbrook

    November 21, 2008 at 8:27 pm

    I would open in Motion and key using Primatte RT. For a start.

    Phil

    Just like you remember it…
    maybe better.

  • Mark Suszko

    November 21, 2008 at 10:13 pm

    Ditto Primatte, also use the feature in that same collection in Motion (if you have it) that adds in spill killing correction to the edges. It will add magenta to edges on green screen and yellow to blue screen, to kill spill. Don’t overdo it.

    Use garbage mattes so you don’t have to worry about a clean key wall to wall but just around the body and hair.

    A trick I have done before on short 30 second spots with troublesome footage is to pull the keys using photoshop. Export>quicktime conversion> sequential stills> targa format to a folder. Open the folder in photoshop, under the tools for the magic wand and selection, use selection by color. You generally only need to do this to the first frame in the stack. If you record the actions and save the action, you can apply that to the entire folder automatically and get something pretty amazing back in minutes. Re-import the stills to your timeline, back in business. Targas contain alpha channel info, at least in 8-bit, you can leave the alpha blank or fill the cut-out with a better overall chromakey color and then do the keying in FCP again… or whatever.

    (addendum-dum: you can get in trouble importing the stack of stills two ways: by not using leading zeros, i.e. frame 0001, frame0002, etc, which can put some frames out of order, and by forgetting to set the preference in your import dialogs to a duration of just one frame per still you import.)

    Something that happened to me once: We found it impossible to blue screen a lady with blonde hair one time. Asked her if she’d just shampooed and what brand. Some brands add a bluing agent to the soap, it turns out.

    Unless specifically using Ultimatte, next time you shoot, use a real gelled backlight on the set to help kill spill contamination and I bet the key will work easier even in DV’s 4:1:1 color space.

  • David Bogie

    November 21, 2008 at 10:46 pm

    Nice stuff, Mark.

    After ten years, I still loathe and despise Photoshop with a totally unreasonable passion.

    bogiesan

    This is my standard sigfile so do not take it personally: “For crying out loud, read the freakin’ manual.”

  • Chris Poisson

    November 21, 2008 at 10:47 pm

    DVmatte Pro 3 does an amazing job on DV footage.

    Have a wonderful day.

  • Kevin Jones

    November 22, 2008 at 4:08 am

    This helped a bit…
    I zoomed-in on the Canvas to 800% and resampled her fringe hair with the Chroma-Key dropper. At this scale I was able to sample colors on a pixel level.
    Looks better.
    Thanks for the help.

    kj

    2.5GHz Quad-core PowerPC G5
    Final Cut Studio 2

  • Kevin Jones

    November 22, 2008 at 4:10 am

    Shot with XDCAM EX. 1080i.

    kj

    2.5GHz Quad-core PowerPC G5
    Final Cut Studio 2

  • Neil Sadwelkar

    November 22, 2008 at 10:19 am

    One of the tricks that have helped me in the past is to take the DV (might even work with HDV) footage, and export it as Quicktime Uncompressed Blackmagic RGB. Or you could also use Animation.

    Then import that back and key that. You can place this in a new sequence with the same codec and with Always render in RGB on. That makes the colour space ‘expand’. Especially useful with fine detail against a solid color background.

    Neil

    FCP Editor, Mumbai, India.
    Completely PAL.

  • Chris Borjis

    November 24, 2008 at 5:08 pm

    I have found recently that just about any keying difficulty
    can be overcome quite easily and completely within final cut pro with
    Primatte.

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