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Whoa, nice rant dude! Have a bad round this weekend? I agree though, right on.
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Adam,
While I also believe FCP Studio looks very exciting and very powerful, and while I too am very excited about it and can’t wait to start using it myself, I think you’re missing a few subtleties of some of the arguments that certain people have expressed here.
Those who don’t like the feature set do seem way off base, on that I’ll agree. However, many of the arguments which you attribute to people wanting FCP to work just like Avid are not about that at all.
There are many of us who have experience with other NLEs that simply handle certain functions much more elegantly than FCP, without the need for workarounds or extra keystrokes. The FCP engineers have listened and have in fact adopted many, many new features and improved many others which were patterned after other NLEs such as Avid , Discreet Edit, and even Sony’s Vegas. The new open timeline is a perfect example.
However, while adding many great new features and fixing many others very elegantly, the engineers at Apple have been slow to fix some of the most basic features that even its strongest FCP supporters have been clamouring about for years. When you’ve had more experience with FCP you too will find that certain functions could be easily changed for the better.
So, while there are indeed some people who just can’t get Avid out of their heads, many others simply want FCP to be better. There is a difference. And, using elegant models from other NLEs that do some things better is not the same as wanting FCP to be just like them.
DRW
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Yeah Man, Apple’s ripping us off.
That’s why I stayed with FCP 1.0
I am not going to let the man stick it to me year after year with this upgrade garbage.
And David. BTW I really like your music alot. Are you ever going to reunite with Van Halen?
– Deadhead (editing an an agency today and running a temperature- so maybe I’m delirious)
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As an occasional whiner, I was about to respond to this thread, but Mr. Weiss said exactly what I wanted to say, just much more elegantly.
Good ideas are good ideas, whether they originate with FCP or Avid or any other program. For day-to-day editing, it’s often the little, and not very sexy, things that make work so much easier. How many of us, and for how long, have been asking for these little things, such as:
1. an easier to read GUI. Look at Motion or the screen shots of Color. That’s what I mean.
2. storing scratch disk and other settings with the project, not the computer.
3. keyframes that can be copied and pasted.
4. the ability to handle large projects without bogging down
5. better tracking of render files
6. the ability to create an edl (yes, some of us still use these on occasion), even if there’s a freeze frame in the timeline.
Improvements like these would not make headlines and turn heads. But they’d make my work a lot easier.
Perhaps some of these issues have been addressed. For example, the new feature allowing one to base a timeline’s settings on the settings of the first clip brought into it answers one such long-standing request.
So thank you, Apple, for improving Motion and giving us Color. These are tremendous values and I look forward to diving into them. Just don’t forget the little things.
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Relax dude. Obviously this is a Final Cut forum – and all of us are here because we use and love and use Final Cut. And yeah, some of us have been wanting changes for a LONG TIME that we believe would make the workflow easier.
I may rant and bitch about Apple, but I’m still going to turn around and make good money with their products. I still defend them against Avid naysayers. We’re getting taken to dinner tonight from the most prominent maker of finishing tools and I know they’re going to try and push another quarter million dollar system on us – and I’m going to tell them why a FCP based mac is 1000x more efficient and user friendly. Doesn’t mean I don’t wish they’d make some improvements. Doesn’t mean I’m not excited about the path they’re going down.
But yeah, it’s a downer when you get excited about something and others start throwing rocks at it. I get you.
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This message is the result of a fast groupthink among some folks over at the apple forums. We see this rant with each FCP update so we crafted a brief-yet inoffensive-universal response. Feel free to copy and paste this note, or a version thereof, to other FCP forums.
This is from some of the regulars around here (not all of them, just some of us):
Hello all. Just a friendly reminder:
1. Upgrades happen.
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Bogesian –
well that was an interesting response that had nothing whatsoever to do with this thread. Nobody mentioned costs, or was upset in the least with the idea of upgrades. The conversation was between a true believer who thinks that it’s next to original sin to still complain about FCP when it is by far the cost/value champion of NLE’s, and other older and perhaps wiser heads who think that even though something is great, it might still be made greater. I am, as you might guess, amongst that second group.
My whine is that I truly appreciate the great value that FC Studio affords and yet …
I personally would give back “Color” for a capture window that could handle capturing over time code breaks, and I would gladly trade in the smoothcam feature for a media manager that could actually manage the media. From what I hear the new version has addressed the need to be able to export Time Code, so I can scratch that off my list. For me the little things that make day to day editing workflow actually flow are much more valuable than new gee whiz features – with the exception of things like the “open time line” which is a godsend. Now if they could just make an “undo history” feature and get rid of the bug whereby muting a video track destroys all of the sequences renders, we would have something to celebrate.
Herb Sevush
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I hate it when you whin about the whiners!
Chris
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[Herb Sevush] “an “undo history” feature and get rid of the bug whereby muting a video track destroys all of the sequences renders”
I’m hoping that the new open time line feature will eliminate some of that problem by not requiring renders in the first place. We’ll see…
Hmmm… look at us old timers, actually discussing the new software…
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Eric Susch
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Old timers… OLD TIMERS!?
I remember when it were all fields round here…Aaah, the days of FCP 1.2.5 on OS9… the joy of not even having colour correction, scopes, or audio meters. Come to think of it, in my day we didn’t even HAVE a media manager!!!
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