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JVC HDV and Final Cut capture problem
Hi – I’m attempting to capture footage(720-30p) recorded by a JVC GY-HD100 with the JVC BR-HD50 deck and I can’t get Final Cut to capture the correct clip, as in where I set my IN/OUT points. I want to capture the entire tape from start to finish to burn a timecoded DVD of the raw footage for the client, but Final Cut keeps starting and stopping during the capture process, creating new clips, but leaving out many seconds inbetween each restart. All software is current, even the firmware for the JVC deck, and I’ve tried it with the “Create new clip on Start/Stop” option turned on and off, but still a no go.
Had this problem a few weeks back, only when editing HDV with the deck, DV is fine, no problems. I was hoping the latest Final Cut update 5.1.4 had fixed the situation . any one encounter this problem before?thanks! MATT
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I have had the same problem, the issue is that HDV does not have a good TC track. the only solution i have is to just do a capture now. It works to an extent, you will still get broken clips just not as many. I have the same camera and deck and I hate them both. Be careful with playing a mini DV tape, what happens is that when you flip the FCP system to read HDV, FCP tells you it cant read it because a mini DV tape was played, it is almost impossible to get the system to read a HDV tape again. we had to reinstall FCP several times because of this. from now on what we do is dub the HDV to beta or DV, dv play get in that deck which is kinda funny since it’s built to play HDV.
Thanks a lot,
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[z.man99] ” the issue is that HDV does not have a good TC track. the only solution i have is to just do a capture now.”
The majority of the time this is user error,( but not always) these TC breaks are from NOT setting the date and time on the camera, and since HDV like DV uses time of day TC, every time the users starts and stops or the camera is paused the TC resets to 0:00:00
gary adcock
Studio37
HD & Film Consultation
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If the camera is set to time of day TC it starts each clip with the time of day. The camera does not reset to zero even when it’s in regen. It does not do a preread, it does standard TC generation.
All the best,
Tom
Author: “Final Cut Pro 5 Editing Essentials” and “Final Cut Express 2 Editing Workshop” Class on Demand “Complete Training for FCP5” and “Final Cut Express Made Easy” DVDs
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I haven’t had any trouble with Final Cut and the miniDV tapes, not yet at least so thanks for the heads up. For now I’m just going to run the analog out of the JVC deck into a canopus converter and capture the footage as regular DV footage, that will allow me to avoid the breaks or black periods between shots, but then my timecode will be off, so much for an offline edit from the producer.
thanks, – Matt
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FCP always captures the material by breaking the clips at the shot changes. This cannot be avoided, despite the checkbox setting in the capture window. It also losses a bunch of material as it catches up with the TC during capture. Both of these problems do not appear on other video editing applications, and seem to be a problem that only FCP seems unable to solve. This may be one reason by this camera series has disappeared from the qualified devices list.
All the best,
Tom
Author: “Final Cut Pro 5 Editing Essentials” and “Final Cut Express 2 Editing Workshop” Class on Demand “Complete Training for FCP5” and “Final Cut Express Made Easy” DVDs
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Somehow I don’t think this is a timecode issue, at least as I understand it. I shoot a lot of video, and while I didn’t shoot this material the operator knew what he was doing in terms of avoiding ‘breaks’. I wonder though would it help if the tapes were striped with continuous timecode beforehand?
I have found an article that seems to address this situation:https://www.aulich-adamski.de/en/perm/how-to-handle-jvc-hdv-720p-scene-breaks-in-final-cut-pro
thanks -Matt
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There is nothing wrong with the TC track with a good recording. Other applications have no problem reading the track and controlling the camera. (I can’t speak about the deck, though I’ve heard poor reports on it.) My experience has been considerably different. I never had to reinstall FCP or anything like that. I have dumped prefs on occasion. If the application is shut down and the camera reconfigured prior to launching it has behaved correctly in my experience. By miniDV tape I presume you mean a tape that have a DV recording. The application can’t read the type of tape, though there can be problems if DV material is recorded over previously recorded HDV material, or vice versa. There are sometimes problems when HDV and DV are recorded on the same tape and the application goes from one format to the other.
All the best,
Tom
Author: “Final Cut Pro 5 Editing Essentials” and “Final Cut Express 2 Editing Workshop” Class on Demand “Complete Training for FCP5” and “Final Cut Express Made Easy” DVDs
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[Tom Wolsky] “If the camera is set to time of day TC it starts each clip with the time of day. The camera does not reset to zero even when it’s in regen”
Only if the time and date have been set on the camera, if the Date/ Time has never been set, it will use zero.
Not all cameras are preset at the factory.Pro cameras do not have this problem, most of them are not using TOD timecode at all.
gary adcock
Studio37
HD & Film Consultation
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If you’re using time of day TC then the TC is in free run. Whether or not you actually set the clock or set it correctly, the TC will not zero back on a TC break. It will just keep going.
Many, many crews shoot TOD. It’s very useful in events, news, docs, working with DTEs. The cameraperson just has to be aware that the beginning of the shot is dead to allow for the pre-roll if they can. This is especially true and more so for JVC HDV, though you can get close to the breaks if you have to by capturing individual shots manually or with a short pre-roll. Recording on DTEs of course gives you a buffer in addition to what’s recorded, but the cameraperson still has to allow for the pre-roll so the tape can act as backup and archive.
All the best,
Tom
Author: “Final Cut Pro 5 Editing Essentials” and “Final Cut Express 2 Editing Workshop” Class on Demand “Complete Training for FCP5” and “Final Cut Express Made Easy” DVDs
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in most cases, with the exception of semi-rare ‘stream errors’, you can avoid this whole capture break annoyance simply by putting generous head and tail on each shot, and then logging and batch capturing from tape with generous handles. FCP and the br50u deck are totally fine with TC capture, but they are lousy with day/pause logging. The br50u plays very happily with FCP for DV25, HDV 720, even the 60P stuff in DVHSCapture. FCP even loves the RS422 controller through Decklink. Don’t stop anywhere near a camera pause on a tape when attempting to capture and your captures will generally be flawless. Don’t log and capture and eventually you’ll bawl like a baby, which is pretty much the case even if you aren’t working with JVC gear.
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