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Faster than real-time capturing in Final Cut 5.1
Is it possible to capture faster than real-time in Final Cut 5.1 using firewire and staying uncompressed? My boss is used to the Avid back at the tv station being able to capture four times faster than normal speed, and the ‘at normal’ capture speed of Final Cut Pro 5.1 is bothering him. I have never come across any menu settings that say otherwise and a post search of this site didn’t help. Do any of you know? Is it possible with a firewire input? Is it possible with some other kind of input other than firewire in FInal Cut Pro 5.1? Is this why Avid is still the preferred editing system?
-scottie
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short answer: no.
you cant even get uncompressed over firewire at one times speed.
maybe by “uncompressed” you mean “DV with no further compression”do you have a deck that supports 4x playback?
tell your boss to invest in those Panasonic cameras with P2 cards.
no waiting time then!nick
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Yeah, when I said uncompressed firewire I meant dv. Hmm… I don’t think I will suggest the Panasonic P2 cards until they’re a few years old. All this new HD technology that is becoming outdated so quickly frightens me. I don’t want to be sinking money into the next polavision. I will be working with Canon XL-1 and XL-2 for a while. I wish the XL-1 and 2 had a port to send uncompressed video straight from the camera CCD’s to a hard drive and bypass the dv tape completely. Does anybody know if this has been done?
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It’s this https://www.avid.com/products/newscutter/
It has accelated digitizing and output. I’ve seen it at a local station here digitizing at faster than real time on a tour. Pretty cool. I also saw reporters editing their stories with a set of headphones at a terminal in their cubicle. So there was one digitizing station, where tapes were completely being loaded in and archived, and the reporters could do rough edits at their desk, just by logging in soemehow.
FCP isn’t that specific yet. Certainly can be done of course.
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check out the firestore “direct to disk” products.
https://www.focusinfo.com/solutions/video_production.asp
i’m with you. i wish faster than real-time capturing was a common thing.
nick
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Nice post on the Firestore.
I have actually seen one of them in action before. A friend of mine who had completely tricked out his XL-1 had a 40G hard drive attached to his Firestore and was doing tapeless captures two years ago. He had a problem navigating the Firestore’s menu systems to review his shots though because he had it set up somehow so that his shots were bookmarked by blocks of time instead of individual shots, meaning he was moving around at random. And he actually lost a block of time, for when he went back to check some shots, they weren’t there. It could have been an operator error, but he was pretty sure he pushed the appropriate buttons. It’s a nifty thought, but an expensive tradeoff for a few hours saved a month. 25 hours a month as referenced on the dvinfo site, and at a minimum going rate of $50 an hour for editing, that’s only $1250 saved. If you buy their whole package with battery, mounts, charger and then buy your external hard drives, it would take about three months of steady work to pay off that badboy. And in the meantime you could have been paid for that time if you used tape. Hehe.
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[scottieh] “I don’t think I will suggest the Panasonic P2 cards until they’re a few years old.”
They’re about 3 or 4 years old now. P2 SD cameras came out I believe in 2003 or 2004.
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[walter biscardi] “They’re about 3 or 4 years old now. P2 SD cameras came out I believe in 2003 or 2004.”
The HXV-200 and the 4GB P2 cards came out November 2005.
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[Shane Ross] “[walter biscardi] “They’re about 3 or 4 years old now. P2 SD cameras came out I believe in 2003 or 2004.””
Panasonic had the ___700__SD cameras out with 2GB P2 cards about a year or 2 prior to the release of the HVX200 HD cameras. P2 has been in the professional arena for a while now with announcements from Panasonic going back to 2003. I’m not sure of the release date of the first something700something P2 ENG cam but it should be safe to say 3 years now. Recent announcements indicate 16GB P2 cards available soon after NAB and the 32GB cards to be available around the end of 2007.
[scottieh] “Yeah, when I said uncompressed firewire I meant dv. Hmm… I don’t think I will suggest the Panasonic P2 cards until they’re a few years old. All this new HD technology that is becoming outdated so quickly frightens me. I don’t want to be sinking money into the next polavision. I will be working with Canon XL-1 and XL-2 for a while.”
It’s the mpeg-2 formats that are on shakey ground right now IMHO, but if DV is working for you then I agree, why spend more money on this other stuff. The DSR-85 can pass dvcam at 4X speeds but I don’t think there is a capture card that handles it for ingest to a computer other than the deticated Sony ES-7 editing systems which are PC based. Too bad the Kona cards didn’t suport the QSDI 4X speed terminals on these decks. It’s a little late for that now.
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