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Nattress not digitizing – not working
Nattress not working
Posted: Oct 30, 2006 11:31 PM
Reply EmailI bought Nattress and want to convert ordinary PAL to ordinary NTSC (Camera is Sony TRV 900 NTSC). Nothing fancy.
I was successful, blundering into it for a clip, using Final Cut Pro 5.1.1 on my Powerbook G4.
Since then, no luck. Every time I try to import, I get
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Whoa…hold on…what are you doing? Nattress filters are for AFTER you capture. You capture the PAL clip into a PAL project using PAL Easy Setups, or NTSC footage using NTSC Easy setups…PAL tapes in PAL cameras and NTSC tapes in NTSC cameras. A PAL tape will not play in an NTSC camera, and an NTSC tape will not play in a PAL camera. Interesting that the PAL tape plays in the camera…never seen that. But that might be for playback only on the viewfinder, the camera is an NTSC camera and can only output an NTSC signal. If you want to capture PAL, you will need a PAL camera or deck. The DSR-11 is both a PAL and NTSC deck, so if you can rent one of those, do. And again, use the Easy Setup that matches your footage.
Nattress Standards Converter is for AFTER you capture.
Shane
Littlefrog Post
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You use an easy setup and capture your dv pal clip from a pal camcorder as PAL into Final Cut Pro.
THEN create an NTSC timeline and follow the directions in Graemes instructions.
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Yes, you are misunderstanding the purpose of Graeme’s filters, do as you’ve been told here.
But I can confirm that my European TRV900 was able to play NTSC tapes, so it’s possible that an American model plays PAL. But if I remember well, it didn’t work over FireWire.
Regards,
Uli
Author of “DVDs gestalten und produzieren”, a book on professional DVD-authoring in German.
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Hi
Whilst the TRV900 can output to FW in whichever standard the tape was recorded in it also sends information to the computer down the FW identifying which standard camcorder it is – PAL or NTSC. This causes FCP (and most other NLEs) to fail to capture.However iMovie v1 and v2 have no such qualms (I haven’t tried it with later versions), but they will need to be initialised with a genuine PAL FW device first to allow the correct standard project to be created – I used a switchable Canopus ADVC device, which in your case would be set to PAL mode. Once you have got iMove ready to capture into a PAL project hotswap the FW cable into the 900, press capture and off you go.
The resultant capture will be in dv stream format, but that will work OK in FCP with an audio render.
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I gave up when I tried this, sinced we had a DSR-11 around, but that’s very helpful info for those without a switchable device.
Regards,
Uli
Author of “DVDs gestalten und produzieren”, a book on professional DVD-authoring in German.
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[PaulD] “Whilst the TRV900 can output to FW in whichever standard the tape was recorded in it also sends information to the computer down the FW identifying which standard camcorder it is – PAL or NTSC. This causes FCP (and most other NLEs) to fail to capture.
However iMovie v1 and v2 have no such qualms (I haven’t tried it with later versions), but they will need to be initialised with a genuine PAL FW device first to allow the correct standard project to be created – I used a switchable Canopus ADVC device, which in your case would be set to PAL mode. Once you have got iMove ready to capture into a PAL project hotswap the FW cable into the 900, press capture and off you go.
The resultant capture will be in dv stream format, but that will work OK in FCP with an audio render.
“At the risk of sounding sceptical, are you saying that this method will do a standards conversion?
If so, at what quality?Cheers
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I’m sorry the software didn’t work the way you wanted it to, but there’s no way for a plugin in FCP to alter an NTSC video camera and turn it into a PAL one for the purposes of capturing a tape. From the FAQ page:
“What does Standards Conversion not do?
The Standards Conversion package does not help you get video of different standards into your computer. If your VCR or capture device does not support the standard you want to capture, ie – a PAL DV tape in an NTSC DV camera, then Standards Conversion cannot help you. Standards Conversion only works once you have the video media into your system.”
And if you get stuck, or need pre-sales advice, please email me. I’m very, very reachable.
Graeme
– http://www.nattress.com – Film Effects and Standards Conversion for FCP
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Hi
No. Its just a way of capturing DV footage digitally when you haven’t go a proper player of the appropriate standard – the TRV-900 happily passes the digits on the tape down the FW unchanged, so iMovie can capture it, whereupon the Nattress Standard Convertor plug-in can do its stuff 😉 -
[PaulD] “Hi
No. Its just a way of capturing DV footage digitally when you haven’t go a proper player of the appropriate standard – the TRV-900 happily passes the digits on the tape down the FW unchanged, so iMovie can capture it, whereupon the Nattress Standard Convertor plug-in can do its stuff 😉
“Paul,
Do you know that the Sony TRV900E (a PAL device) can display an NTSC tape’s content
on it’s LCD?
This can be confusing but here’s the kicker, it will only ONLY display, you cannot capture this NTSC media
from this camera.
The TRV900 is qualified for Fire-Wire capture into FCP, but only in it’s native format.
Why use iMovie?
If you are having F-W capture problems check your camera and media’s format first,
don’t get confused with format conversion.Cheers
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[Alexander] “Paul,
Do you know that the Sony TRV900E (a PAL device) can display an NTSC tape’s content
on it’s LCD?
This can be confusing but here’s the kicker, it will only ONLY display, you cannot capture this NTSC media
from this camera.
The TRV900 is qualified for Fire-Wire capture into FCP, but only in it’s native format.
Why use iMovie?”Hi
Why use iMovie? Because I had (in my case) an NTSC miniDV tape given me by a client for inclusion in a PAL movie, and at that time I had no access to an NTSC camera or deck.
But (here’s the REAL kicker) not only does a TRV-900E PAL display the NTSC in its LCD, and put out a PAL60 picture out of its analogue port, it ALSO puts out the raw digital data stream out of its FW port.But… FCP (and Premiere 6/6.5) won’t capture this – capture fails before it gets started.
Happily, using the setup procedure in my initial post, early versions of iMovie capture this fime.Result: I can include the client’s undersea footage (shot by an NTSC camera in the Bahamas) in the sales movie for his yacht in Cannes (where they need PAL DVDs.
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