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Mark OUT…. Records one frame too far.
Am I crazy or when you set an outpoint in a sequence and do an Overwrite record, it actually places the last frame on frame too far?
How do I avoid this?
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People constantly say this and I don’t get it. If you mark an in, that is the first frame of you video, and if you mark an out, the frame you are parked on is the last frame. It doesn’t drop in the frame after the one you mark as the last frame.
But, if you say, mark an in then type “5:00” and mark an out, then the diration will be 5:01. That is just the way it is. You’ll need to get used to marking an out point 1 frame back from where you’d expect. So if you want it to have a duration of 5:00, type “+4;29”. It is this way for both FCP and Avid. Just something to get used to.
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I’ve used a number of systems to date, from Tape to Tape, to non linear, to high end compositing systems…. When you set an OUT point, that frame should not be recorded on.
I’m shocked to hear that’s how the avid and FCP do it. It makes no sense to me.
When you are navigating through your sequence, one of the most common methods is to use the ‘next cut’ shortcut (up arrow in this case). When trying to squeeze a clip between two clips, you should press up, go to the first frame of the clip you want to preserve, hit OUT, hit RECORD. It’s absurd to have to back off a frame at that point.
If avid does this, I wonder if FCp tried to match their technique. No other system I know of does this.
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[Dominik Bochenski] “When you set an OUT point, that frame should not be recorded on”
That makes no sense to me. For if you park on a location and hit OUT, then to me, you are saying THIS SPOT is where I want the footage to end…include this spot. But I guess that is because I was raised cutting on film and Avid.
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Hi all,
Shane: “But I guess that is because I was raised cutting on film and Avid.”
Yeah, that must be it, because I can put something against your logic: Calculating in FCP and AVID is weird.
If you have 5 pizza’s and you take 2 of them, you’re left with 3 pizza’s, right?In the tape to tape world this would be:
In 00:00:00:02 Out 00:00:00:05 –> Duration (5-2) = 00:00:00:03 (frame# 2, 3 and 4)
Makes sense.In Avid and FCP:
In 00:00:00:02 Out 00:00:00:05 –> Duration (5-2) = 00:00:00:04 ?!?!? (frame# 2, 3, 4 AND 5).
Now that sounds unlogical to me.The difference between Tape to tape on one hand and AVID and FCP on the other is that Tape to tape is counting as if it is always SLICING BEFORE the mentioned TC.
Avid and FCP SLICES BEFORE the IN frame, but AFTER the OUT frame.Bottomline is that both procedures basically have the same problem with outpoints:
– Linear: When searching an outpoint you think: Yeah, this is the last frame I want to use in the shot. And then you need to add 1 frame (step right) and give an outpoint.
– IN Avid/ FCP: On the canvas side (Overwrite) you think: Here I want to come back to the original shot. So I have to step back 1 frame to give an outpoint.Boy. Is this confusing bothways or what?
It’s just what you are used to.Rienk
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True…that is how it works. Not coming from a Tape to Tape system, that seems foreign to me, as this must to you.
But really, if I set my out point, I want it to include the frame I am looking at, for I want to be looking at the last frame, so that I can see what it is.
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shane: “that seems foreign to me, as this must to you.”
No, I’m just bi-lingual 😉
Rienk
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[rienk] “Yeah, that must be it, because I can put something against your logic: Calculating in FCP and AVID is weird.
If you have 5 pizza’s and you take 2 of them, you’re left with 3 pizza’s, right?”All this hi-tech math talk is making me hungry………. I have been on many systems, Immix, Stratosphere, *edit, avid, FCP. SOme do it one way some do it the other. It takes a little getting used to as does command/control from a mac/pc. I can bet it will never change at this point so i guess you have to learn to love it.
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It drove me nuts the first time i realized this. I came from a tape to tape world so i’m expectiing the old five pizza’s minus two pizza’s equals three pizza’s method. Well i had a client who needed frame grabs off of this tape. he needed like a hundred of them. I told him to just log it on an excell sheet and with the appropriate headings. So naturally for a one frame grab he would enter the inpoint as 00;00;00;01 and the outpoint as 00;00;00;02. That is a duration of one frame. If you ask a fist grader the difference he’ll tell you ti’s one frame. So i loaded in the batch list and captured, and was suprised to have two frames on each shot. So to get one fram i had to mark in at 00;00;00;01 and mark out at 00;00;00;01. HOw can you start and stop on the same frame. That to me is a duration of 0 frames. It is just highly illogical. if you try to punch in the same timecode as your in and out on any linear system it will give you an error, but if you punch in the same timecode as an in and out on FCP you will get one frame. I’m curious as to why why did it like this.
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Ok. How about this… I’ll be on vacation from the 2nd through the 5th. 5-2 = 3. But the cruseliner calls it a four day cruise. (2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th).
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What I know realize this comes from is the difference between tape and film editing.
For film guys, this makes sense, for tape guys it does not. Either way, I guess you just have to get used to it.
Thanks for all the opinions.
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