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60i to 50i Prores from PC
I am on Windows 7, I have Ppro 5.5 and I need to take my HDCAM 60i master, digitize it and encode out 4 channels of audio to 50i prores 422HQ, I am going from the HDCAM tape to File delivery.
I am unfamiliar with prores so can anyone advise the best workflow and the best way to scrutinize. I need to pan out the audio to four channels as well.
Tony
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The prores part is the easy part. Just download the codec to read prores files on a win machine. Don’t think you can write to prores on WIN though. I could be wrong.
But, what card do you have for capture from tape?
Converting to 50i will be the challenge.Chris
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I can import pro res no problem it is a win machine so I am having trouble exporting same. When I have 60i footage and I export to 50i am I to Assume it is legit 50i? I thought I needed a hardware encoder. I have an adrenaline and matrox le.
Tony
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[Tony Brecknock] “I am on Windows 7, I have Ppro 5.5 and I need to take my HDCAM 60i master, digitize it and encode out 4 channels of audio to 50i prores 422HQ”
Windows machines running Adobe cannot encode to ProRes directly. You’ll have to capture to some high end codec first, then use third party software to convert, like:
https://www.cinemartin.com/cinec/
https://www.authorityfx.com/encoding-videos-in-prores-4444-on-windows/The Standards Conversion…60i to 50i…is trickier. You cannot convert using the hardware you have. For a hardware conversion you need to run the signal through something like a TERRANEX (Blackmagic makes these now…cheapest one is $2000)…then to your capture card. Or, you can convert in Premiere, as I hear it can do so decently. NOt as well as hardware, but decently…although you can’t render out ProRes. So you’d have to capture to high quality 60i MPEG-2 (whatever the best option on a PC is), drop that into a 50i sequence, render, export to high quality MPEG-2…then convert to ProRes.
Or get the Terranex and convert and capture all in one, then use the third party software to convert to ProRes.
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Excellent post, thank you. One more question. I need to provide dialogue on CH 1 an 2 and music and effects on 3 and 4 in the file. Is this EMB ended in the prores or is the only way to provide a stereo mix and then a pair of stereo waves broken out?
Tony
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I do this all the time with FCP, it’s embedded in the file. I’m hoping this is something you can do in Premiere Pro CC, because all previous versions only do stereo mix, or Dolby 5.1…they don’t do 4 channel mono exports like that. Avid didn’t do that until recently too. I always had to resort to FCP for ProRes exports with embedded audio.
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[Shane Ross] ” I’m hoping this is something you can do in Premiere Pro CC”
The multiple mono output was in CS6 but it’s a bit clunky because you need to set it up before you put anything in a sequence.
Here’s a video how-to https://vimeo.com/38237939
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[Tony Brecknock] “I can import pro res no problem it is a win machine so I am having trouble exporting same. When I have 60i footage and I export to 50i am I to Assume it is legit 50i? I thought I needed a hardware encoder. I have an adrenaline and matrox le.”
As far as I know you cannot export a ProRes file from Windows because in order to make the conversion to 60i to 50i you’ll need to write a new file. Apple has not licensed the codec outside of their own machines to my knowledge.
Also, this conversion is best done through hardware not software.
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[walter biscardi] “As far as I know you cannot export a ProRes file from Windows “
Yes you can.
This comes up quite regularly, and I never mind repeating the facts. There are multiple options, including free ones.
ffmpeg is free. Downside: clip-based…but works faster than Apple’s own exporter.
5DtoRGB, also free, offering a happier GUI front end to ffmpeg’s engine.
A product called Another GUI offers an even BETTER front end, and unlike the other two which are oriented toward single files/clips, offers batch encoding. Also very fast.
A lot of you have heard of those, but I’ll throw in a new one: Cinemartin Cinec. It not only does ProRes, but DNxHD, XDCAM, and all your favorite flavors of H.264. Even better, it also DECODES files including RAW, Cinema DNG, DPX, MXF, etc etc.
All of the ENCODE options I mentioned — including encode to ProRes — are FREE. Several of the DECODE options I mentioned are only available in paid versions (very reasonably priced), which offer additional options for other stuff too.
But to underscore: the ProRes encode is FREE.
Telestream Episode Engine, Vantage, and FlipFactory are incredibly full-featured resources that offer every bit of codec conversion control that you can imagine and then some. Even a small facility working with shared storage will find something very much worth their while.
And obviously not just for that one task, and by no means Windows-only. For anybody doing large amounts of ANY encoding, say for online, mobile, etc. – these Telestream products will change your life…with yeah, encode to ProRes on Windows, directly from inside Premiere – no problem.
Harmonic Procoder is the server-based progeny of the old Canopus Procoder, which was a vastly more full-featured version of Cleaner — raise your hand if you’re old enough to remember THAT thing. But again, as with Telestream, every bit of control that you can imagine, directly from inside Premiere or standalone, ideal for mixed platform, mixed codec environments.
Those are just the EIGHT ways of encoding ProRes on Windows that I know about, FOUR of which are FREE. There may be others.
Please spread the word. 🙂
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Thank you very much Tim. That was an insightful post! I downloaded the cinemartin pro demo and sure enough it worked and was clean.
Onto the second part of my post. My converting from 60i to 50i. It has been suggested to me that software converting works but the outcome is dubious on faster motion footage and if I was to try it software based then tel stream is the way to go. Do you have any thoughts on the single best workflow to go 60i (capture from tape) to 50i proresTony
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[Tony Brecknock] “Do you have any thoughts on the single best workflow to go 60i (capture from tape) to 50i prores”
Pretty much everyone else you know will be of more help to you on that than me. 🙂 Glad to help with the ProRes on Windows solution for you.
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